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chris-red
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Knocked off the TDM again! Reply with quote

On Friday, I was going to work, not particularly fast the van infront of me indicated left and slowed, so I slowed too. As the Van turned in I put a bit of throttle on to overtake, at this point the van was half in the junction to go past I didn't need to go into the other lane. I was dong about 20/25 when a car appears and I think 'Fuck' the car hit my foot and the side of my bike which sent me over the bonnet and lying in a heap staring at the front of my bike with a car near enough in my shoulder.

I thought about getting up but decided the floor was the best place for me and laid there and wondered if I could have a sleep. Then a mass over people appeared some trying to take my helmet off which I promptly told them to leave it. Then I could here talk of 999 police ambulance, someone crying and general alarm. Someone then placed something soft in my back which was nice and made me comfortable. I then decided I was going to get up to which I told to lay down and not move, as I was comfortable I agreed. Then came pain in my foot, it hurt like buggery and I was generally aching. My field of vision was extremely limited, I was laying almost parallel slightly wonky facing the other side of the road with my back to the junction. The was a guy in front of me on the blower to 999, they must of asked him how old I was the guy crouched down and said "err about 30" to which I replied "cheeky sod I'm 24" there were a couple of chuckles and I think the situation was defused. As I was only 5 mins from home I got someone to call my dad and he came down, and greeted me with his trademark "'ello bonehead" The paramedic then arrived checked me out and let me get up, as I was getting up my Mum arrived in tears, she had seen a police cars 2 ambulances a crowd around me in close proximity to the car. She had thought it was serious and I was under the car. That was quite tough to see I think her and the lady that hit me where far more upset that me, bloody women Laughing . Anyway I got up and went to the ambulance and checked me over, my only injury appeared to be my foot, which hurt like buggery.

Police spoke to me, and it turned out everybody said the same thing. witnesses other driver etc. which made it easy. The copper said really I shouldn't have gone past the van without making sure it was clear but obviously the woman shouldn't have pulled out. He said the insurance would rule in my favour. I spent the next 4 hours in A&E to be told there was nothing wrong with me. Approximately 90minutes after the accident I got a text from my dad saying the ladies insurance company had rung up declaring full liability. Which is a result. I reckon the TDM will be a write off, damaged link pipe, footpeg, hanger, fork bottom, mudguard, handgaurds R&Gs battered. Then lots of scuff on the indicator mirrors etc. A crack in the bellypan (what was there before but sshhhhhhhhhh Shifty ) Still with any luck I will get £2.5-£3k and an option to buy the bike back. There is nothing majorly wrong after bodging a footpeg on and bending out the hanger the bike was fine in fact it passed an MoT today. Tomorrow the bike is off to an old friend of my Dad's who happens to work at MCT Suspension for the bike to be set up for me. It will be with them for a week then back to me and off to the insurers to be fixed/written off.

Luckily I was wearing nearly £1500 worth of gear that was sufficiently scuffed enough that I can claim for it!


Here where it happened
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Hayes+Drive,+London+Borough+of+Havering&hl=en&ll=51.53706,0.199157&spn=0.002709,0.008256&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=21.172589,67.631836&oq=hayes+drive&t=h&hnear=Hayes+Dr,+Romford,+Greater+London+RM13+7,+United+Kingdom&z=18&layer=c&cbll=51.53706,0.199157&panoid=diNBIo0g9MMPnkrobnmWig&cbp=12,218.26,,0,21.7


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My foot the morning after , it is all very much swollen.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/chris-red/de1d6af8.jpg

If people are interested I will post pictures of the bike but there isn't really much damage
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ha ha, that's looks like a text book case. I have no knowledge of these things but you seem to have covered everything. Good work.
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 14 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im glad you're not injured to bad etc but overtaking at a junction is a stupid thing to do as you've found out.

Think of it from the womans point of view, she cant see you because you were hidden behind the van.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eeew ingrown toenails. They hurt like buggery too, and will do for months. I know this because I got one. Surprised
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

whitedevil wrote:
Im glad you're not injured to bad etc but overtaking at a junction is a stupid thing to do as you've found out.

Think of it from the womans point of view, she cant see you because you were hidden behind the van.


Nowhere near as stupid as pulling out of a junction when there's a fuckoff big van turning into it that you can't see past eh?
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PostPosted: 01:17 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything for a cheap bike new gear and compo .....
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PostPosted: 07:14 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

junglejim wrote:
Yes, agree, but a good rider would still have avoided this.
Looking at what the OP said, and the diagram, he made a classic novice mistake.
The drivers view of the road to her right was obviously obstructed, as was his view into the juntion.
Like a lot of inexperienced riders, he just ploughed on anyway.
Lesson learned hopefully


Because you shouldn't emerge from a junction unless your view is clear... its not a novice mistake for the rider, its that car drivers issue.

I don't pull out blind, knowing full well people are impatient.

Nice to hear you are ok Chris Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:21 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouch, still at least the insurance etc should go through without a hitch.

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PostPosted: 07:34 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you're okay. It was a bad place to make an overtake, and asking for trouble though. The limited vision is a surreal experience, it's like you're aware of what's going on, you can hear everything, but you can't/don't want to look beyond a fixed point.

Be more careful in future.
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PostPosted: 07:42 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish you and your toe a swift recovery, and hope you're back on the road soon. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:
Glad you're okay. It was a bad place to make an overtake, and asking for trouble though. The limited vision is a surreal experience, it's like you're aware of what's going on, you can hear everything, but you can't/don't want to look beyond a fixed point.

Be more careful in future.


I'm sure thats also relative....even more so from the cars perspective.

You do not pull out from a minor to a major without being 100% sure it is clear. It could have been an emergency service overtaking without lights on...quite possible, but still.
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
I'm sure thats also relative....even more so from the cars perspective.

You do not pull out from a minor to a major without being 100% sure it is clear. It could have been an emergency service overtaking without lights on...quite possible, but still.


Should have broken the paragraph up really. I was referring to the tunnel vision when on the floor Laughing I agree you shouldn't be pulling out without being able to see what's coming. But it's a lot more deadly for the biker in these circumstances and care should be taken.
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you are sort of ok ,theres a lesson to be learnt here as has been said you really shouldnt have gone round the van if you couldnt see if it was clear or not ,and i know the car driver should not have pulled out either but that wouldnt have been any help to you had the outcome been far far worse even fatal ,youre lucky the car driver has admitted liability ,it could have been a long drawn out carry on if they hadnt .You should always treat junctions with traffic in them or blind junctions with great care they are one of the most dangerous situations a motorcyclist can find him/her self in , but youve learnt the hard way and as it happens the outcome isnt too bad Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you not see the fiesta pull up as you were approaching? Not always the case I know.
As said it wasn't defensive riding, liability wise you're ok but that is only a legal issue, and having it go in your favour doesn't help if you're dead.

Glad you are ok and walked away from it Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 08:38 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

All that grief and expense because two people needed to shave a few seconds off of their arrival time at the next set of lights.

I'm glad you're OK, mind, but up your game, eh?
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yambabe wrote:
whitedevil wrote:
Im glad you're not injured to bad etc but overtaking at a junction is a stupid thing to do as you've found out.

Think of it from the womans point of view, she cant see you because you were hidden behind the van.


Nowhere near as stupid as pulling out of a junction when there's a fuckoff big van turning into it that you can't see past eh?


This is obviously a lack of experience and road assessment on both parts, regardless of blame!
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Knocked off the TDM again!


How many times is that?
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yambabe wrote:
whitedevil wrote:
Im glad you're not injured to bad etc but overtaking at a junction is a stupid thing to do as you've found out.

Think of it from the womans point of view, she cant see you because you were hidden behind the van.


Nowhere near as stupid as pulling out of a junction when there's a fuckoff big van turning into it that you can't see past eh?


Agreed but it would be cold comfort whilst lying a cripple in the hospital, or a vegetable at home. Could even have "I was in the right" chiselled into his tombstone Smile
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ffs chris..... you bloody tit.

well done for not getting deaded though.

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PostPosted: 11:47 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
well done for not getting deaded though.


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PostPosted: 13:40 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

whitedevil wrote:
Think of it from the womans point of view, she cant see you because you were hidden behind the van.


If you can't see, then you don't move Rolling Eyes

OP was on main road with right of way.

Had a prat pull out of a junction on me today.... Would not have minded but I was drving a car....
He shouted that he could not see me bacause of a push bike at the side of him....
Just replied with WTF did you pull out then, if you could not see.... He just shruged his shoulder and turned away Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really wouldn't really call it overtaking or going round the van, (dispite what I wrote in the OP! it had turned off, it was taking up less than half of the road. I think I moved 1-2ft right and proceeded on my way I was well on my side of the road. If I had been in a car I reckon I still would have hit the woman. Put it this way I definitely wouldn't have pulled out in her position even on a bike

As to how many times I've been off the TDM...

1st looking at a girls arse when the car in front stop and slammed on did a stoppy and came down on one side.(100% my fault)
2nd decided it would be a good idea to ride to work in a blizzard fell off going down a hill.(100% my fault)
3rd hit by a drunk pedestrian running across the road (100% nothing I could have done to avoid this)
4th a woman turned into me whilest trying to get into a petrol station (100% nothing I could have done to avoid this)
5th Clipped a lorry whilst Filtering (100% my fault)
6th I think there was gravel on the road, touched the front brake and on my arse whilst filtering(100% my fault)
7th this one

I tell you what though the TDM crashes VERY well Laughing Still on Original Indicators Mr. Green

I'm back on the road already took it for an MoT yesterday and dropped it at MCT for some suspension work today.

Foot feels loads better today
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
As to how many times I've been off the TDM...

1st looking at a girls arse when the car in front stop and slammed on did a stoppy and came down on one side.(100% my fault)
2nd decided it would be a good idea to ride to work in a blizzard fell off going down a hill.(100% my fault)
3rd hit by a drunk pedestrian running across the road (100% nothing I could have done to avoid this)
4th a woman turned into me whilest trying to get into a petrol station (100% nothing I could have done to avoid this)
5th Clipped a lorry whilst Filtering (100% my fault)
6th I think there was gravel on the road, touched the front brake and on my arse whilst filtering(100% my fault)
7th this one


Well..

Someone on here is honest and open about it being "their fault" for once. Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 15 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not fair! I come off with no other collision and get 2 blinking shoulder breaks but no cool bruises or anything to show it. Glad ye alreet though and insurance liability was nice and easy. Hope the foot heals quick
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