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PostPosted: 00:05 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: First off since the 90s... just me venting Reply with quote

I feel like such an idiot. I was filtering past a line of traffic, saw the junction on the right and took a risk by going past an MPV at 10mph. The MPV turned at the last second, just as I was alongside and I practiced my judo breakfall.

It was so low speed that the only scratch was on the exhaust and the little indicator plastic came off.

The issue is my spidey senses were going and I ignored them. I overruled the same senses that had kept me alive for two decades and that's why I feel like an idiot.

Part of the reason I'm still going despite my addiction to riding all year round and doing serious mileages is I've developed a crazy level of road awareness. Overriding my natural 'instincts' was stupid, stupid, stupid...

Anyhow, I hope the noobs learn from this. Listen to your senses and that little bit of road awareness that spots trouble before you're consciously aware of it. And above all, drink lots of beer when you ride. Apparently it hurts less when you fall off.

Just a question to finish off with - do you more experienced riders have a 'sense' of what is about to happen?
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to say yes, but I am very superstitious about my riding so I won't.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, you don't get a bike to be stuck in traffic. Glad to hear that you're OK.

I'm assuming that you're not fussed about an insurance claim, but if the dozy cow/cnut in the MPV thinks it's your fault, there are a few threads here about what to cite in order to put their insurers straight.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: First off since the 90s... just me venting Reply with quote

gorillaonabike wrote:

Just a question to finish off with - do you more experienced riders have a 'sense' of what is about to happen?


I've started to develop this recently - I think it's to do with things you notice subconsciously like the way the driver is looking around, the way he's moving his vehicle, etc. Humans are good at subconsciously reading body-language and I'd guess it's the same bit of the brain at work here.

It is a satisfying feeling when you notice a car, and think "I just know he's going to change lanes 2 feet before the give-way line" or whatever, then he does, and you're perfectly safe because you've predicted it.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having an off is good for the soul, if you become too
comfortable, that's when accidents happen. Being
overly confident in your abilities is just as bad as being
under confident about them. So an off will keep you in
check, if at lower speeds all the better.

None of us are immune to making mistakes or other numpties,
so once in a while its good to be reminded of this, it may bruise
your ego, but at least your still left with an ego that can be bruised.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernow24 wrote:
things


I'm conflicted. I think I understand what yoiu are trying to say and agree with you, but what you actually said is a logic fail. Confused

I concur that traffic does have body language and the long you ride the more you learn it without noticing.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was riding through St Albans when this bird stopped at a t-junction.

I said to myself, 'she hasn't seen me'

I carried on going, and got t-boned.

only 5mph spill, but still managed to lose my brake lever and mirror.

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PostPosted: 11:37 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spidey-Senses?

Few years back when I was still instructing, My next-door neighbour asked me to take her blind sister shopping. So I taxi'd them to the super-market in the Range-Rover and was returning from the Blind-Sisters with the NDN. I had pulled out of the cul-de-sac blind sister lived in, into the side road that lead to the main road, Dizzy-Blond NDN gabling away in the passenger seat, when, oh, five, six cars lengths from the T-Junction at the end I didn an e-stop.

DB-NDN, goes SILENT... a very rare occurrence... as the Rangie rocks back and forth on its suspension, and DB-NDN looks round to see why we have suddenly stopped...

An MGF sportscar is stopped on the main-road, about to turn into the road we are on.... and DB-NDN 'just' got as far as "What...."

....when a Ford Escort, traveling it high speed enters our field of view, PLOWS into the MGF, in a shower of fibre-glass, sending the MGF pirouetting into a lamp-post, the Escort embedded in its side!

DB-NDN, looks at me..... looks at carnage, looks at me..... looks at carnage

"WHAT... the! " looks at me

"You KNEW that was going to happen!" looks at carnage, looks at me... "HOW did you know THAT was going to happen!"

I reached round the seat and pulled 1st aid pouch out the pocket and clambered out the car to walk up and see if every-one was 'OK'.

They were.... ish.. very irate indian lad, on an adrenaline surge had clambered out the MG, and was looking incredulousely at what HAD obviousely been his 'pride & joy'.... woman in Escort was sat, shivering, with an air-bag in her lap, jibbering, "I didn't see them"

When a coppa turned up; checks if every-one was 'OK' and asked if any-one 'Saw' what had happened.... no-one from the houses, fussing over the wreckage had, so he came to me...... "What happened?" he asked, as he would, so I told him

He looked up the road for my Range-Rover... it had stopped rocking by now....he looked at me.... he looked back at the Range-Rover.... "Have you moved your car?" he asked.

"No" I replied. He looked at the wreckage, looked at the Range-Rover, looked at me, the wreckage, and then the Rangie again.

Walked over to the give way line, and then paced to the front bumper of the Rangie, then walked back to me.

"OK, tell me again what happened!"

So I did. He then pointed at the Rangie...."Why did you stop ALL the way back there?"

"I'm a Biker" I replied.....

He just nodded. It was explanation enough. So was he. His bike was parked on the pavement.

"So how fast do you estiomate the vehicles were traveling before impact?" He asked.

"MG, stationary" I told him "Escort, in excess of 50mph"

He queried the Escort's speed. Suggesting I could only have had a very limited field of vision, and the Escort would have been braking.... but, no, the escort wasn't locked up, or braking, or even slowing, it didn't even swerve it just ploughed STRIGHT into the corber of the escort....

"Your very sure of the speed?" he said.

"Im a bike instructor" I replied. He nodded.....

"RIGHT!" He said. "If we prosecute, are you prepared to testify!"

I provided a written statement; I believe the woman was charged with Driving without Due care....

But yeah.... e-stop five or six cars lengths before the junction, ALL on Biker-Sixth-Sense, FULLY apreciated by Cycle-Cop 'in attendance'!
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Spidey-Senses?

Few years back when I was still instructing, My next-door neighbour asked me to take her blind sister shopping. So I taxi'd them to the super-market in the Range-Rover and was returning from the Blind-Sisters with the NDN. I had pulled out of the cul-de-sac blind sister lived in, into the side road that lead to the main road, Dizzy-Blond NDN gabling away in the passenger seat, when, oh, five, six cars lengths from the T-Junction at the end I didn an e-stop.

DB-NDN, goes SILENT... a very rare occurrence... as the Rangie rocks back and forth on its suspension, and DB-NDN looks round to see why we have suddenly stopped...

An MGF sportscar is stopped on the main-road, about to turn into the road we are on.... and DB-NDN 'just' got as far as "What...."

....when a Ford Escort, traveling it high speed enters our field of view, PLOWS into the MGF, in a shower of fibre-glass, sending the MGF pirouetting into a lamp-post, the Escort embedded in its side!

DB-NDN, looks at me..... looks at carnage, looks at me..... looks at carnage

"WHAT... the! " looks at me

"You KNEW that was going to happen!" looks at carnage, looks at me... "HOW did you know THAT was going to happen!"

I reached round the seat and pulled 1st aid pouch out the pocket and clambered out the car to walk up and see if every-one was 'OK'.

They were.... ish.. very irate indian lad, on an adrenaline surge had clambered out the MG, and was looking incredulousely at what HAD obviousely been his 'pride & joy'.... woman in Escort was sat, shivering, with an air-bag in her lap, jibbering, "I didn't see them"

When a coppa turned up; checks if every-one was 'OK' and asked if any-one 'Saw' what had happened.... no-one from the houses, fussing over the wreckage had, so he came to me...... "What happened?" he asked, as he would, so I told him

He looked up the road for my Range-Rover... it had stopped rocking by now....he looked at me.... he looked back at the Range-Rover.... "Have you moved your car?" he asked.

"No" I replied. He looked at the wreckage, looked at the Range-Rover, looked at me, the wreckage, and then the Rangie again.

Walked over to the give way line, and then paced to the front bumper of the Rangie, then walked back to me.

"OK, tell me again what happened!"

So I did. He then pointed at the Rangie...."Why did you stop ALL the way back there?"

"I'm a Biker" I replied.....

He just nodded. It was explanation enough. So was he. His bike was parked on the pavement.

"So how fast do you estiomate the vehicles were traveling before impact?" He asked.

"MG, stationary" I told him "Escort, in excess of 50mph"

He queried the Escort's speed. Suggesting I could only have had a very limited field of vision, and the Escort would have been braking.... but, no, the escort wasn't locked up, or braking, or even slowing, it didn't even swerve it just ploughed STRIGHT into the corber of the escort....

"Your very sure of the speed?" he said.

"Im a bike instructor" I replied. He nodded.....

"RIGHT!" He said. "If we prosecute, are you prepared to testify!"

I provided a written statement; I believe the woman was charged with Driving without Due care....

But yeah.... e-stop five or six cars lengths before the junction, ALL on Biker-Sixth-Sense, FULLY apreciated by Cycle-Cop 'in attendance'!


More amazing that a blind woman looked around at the carnage and said that, now that's spider sense!

Or did I misread your post Laughing Edit - Yeah I see, t'was the sister
Cool bro, story Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 12:35 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say, after a few years you just learn not to put yourself in, potentially, dangerous situations, it's all about looking ahead and assesing the situation.
The added bonus of getting older is that you know you don't heal as well as you did when you were younger, so you try to make damn sure you don't hurt yourself in the first place.

Things have got easier since I moved here, the drivers here are so awful, that my thought process goes like this.
What is the most bizarre, dangerous, unsafe manouvre the vehicle ahead can make? Once i've thought of it I just make sure i'm in a position to avoid it, when it, inevitably, happens. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear about your off OP.
On a day like any other day, October 2011, I was cut off suddenly by a Golf GTI.
I was so ashamed to have let it happen to me. The lorry in front of me shielded me as we were stationary, I eased out and started passing it as the lights had gone green up ahead. The Golf driver had looked previously, saw it was clear but didn’t see me tucked up behind the lorry. He indicated late so it made my life difficult, it was one of the worst crashes because it was on my TLR and it was a really daft mistake I made.
I’ve had several offs and every time because I have seen so much fault in the third party, I’ve got back on the saddle and been fine...since this accident I’ve started getting twitchy about many situations again. I think because I’ve been riding for around 12 years, I’ve got a strange mix of paranoia and the biking sense I’ve developed over the years. I’ll shake it because I have no fear but it’s been annoying me ever since.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: First off since the 90s... just me venting Reply with quote

gorillaonabike wrote:
I feel like such an idiot. I was filtering past a line of traffic, saw the junction on the right and took a risk by going past an MPV at 10mph. The MPV turned at the last second, just as I was alongside and I practiced my judo breakfall.

It was so low speed that the only scratch was on the exhaust and the little indicator plastic came off.

The issue is my spidey senses were going and I ignored them. I overruled the same senses that had kept me alive for two decades and that's why I feel like an idiot.

Part of the reason I'm still going despite my addiction to riding all year round and doing serious mileages is I've developed a crazy level of road awareness. Overriding my natural 'instincts' was stupid, stupid, stupid...

Anyhow, I hope the noobs learn from this. Listen to your senses and that little bit of road awareness that spots trouble before you're consciously aware of it. And above all, drink lots of beer when you ride. Apparently it hurts less when you fall off.

Just a question to finish off with - do you more experienced riders have a 'sense' of what is about to happen?


I've got a similar thing. I overrode it when I thought I was about to hit a dead animial in the road. Turns out it was a discarded boot. I'm still recovering from the broken wrist and broken foot. Most of the accidents I've had have been loss of control type things rather than incidences of collision or involving another road user. I know this wasn't involving another road user, but the sense still applied, and I ignored it.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 20 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:
Sorry to hear about your off OP.
On a day like any other day, October 2011, I was cut off suddenly by a Golf GTI.
I was so ashamed to have let it happen to me. The lorry in front of me shielded me as we were stationary, I eased out and started passing it as the lights had gone green up ahead. The Golf driver had looked previously, saw it was clear but didn’t see me tucked up behind the lorry. He indicated late so it made my life difficult, it was one of the worst crashes because it was on my TLR and it was a really daft mistake I made.
I’ve had several offs and every time because I have seen so much fault in the third party, I’ve got back on the saddle and been fine...since this accident I’ve started getting twitchy about many situations again. I think because I’ve been riding for around 12 years, I’ve got a strange mix of paranoia and the biking sense I’ve developed over the years. I’ll shake it because I have no fear but it’s been annoying me ever since.


I'm in an identical situation. I have a tiny niggling little bit of fear mixed with the spidey senses but I'm sure it'll go soon. More precisely after 10 pints tonight. I won't remember a thing...
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