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T0MMY
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 18 Mar 2012    Post subject: Cheap way to get into racing? Reply with quote

I was speaking to a bloke at a trackday last week who said he'd done some racing on the cheap a few years back but I can't remember what the series was called or who it was with. It was basically just a case of getting your ACU licence then just lockwiring your bike, turning up and having a go. I seem to recall him saying each event was only about the price of a trackday and you got 2 races out of it.

Anyone know of a series like that? ClubMSV are starting a trackday trophy series for bikes like they do for cars but there's no details yet on the costs involved. I'm not expecting to be remotely competitive on a bike as shit as mine but he reckoned he was running midpack and he was about as quick (or as slow) as me so it might be fun.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 18 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no cheap way.

I'm considering desmodue next year. It's pretty much the cheapest I've found.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 18 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps I should have said cheapest.

The thing this bloke was talking about did seem seriously cheap though...I think he said the race fee was £150.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 18 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The No Budget Cup was very cheap, but they aren't running it this year. I believe Fast Bikes mag had mentioned another series in a similar vein, so it may be worth looking on their site for some info.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 18 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Entirely depends what you are willing to race.

This is a VERY cheap way into motorsport once you've got your bike set up;

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Exuse my whimpering exit to the outside of the track, I was pulling over to let the BSB boys through. Laughing
Lad at the front is Richard Cooper from the 1000cc BSS.


Few race days at Whilton Mill;

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PostPosted: 19:36 - 18 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dude was racing his R6. Basically I want something I can do on my 99 ZX6R. I'll check out the Fast Bikes website though Thumbs Up

The ClubMSV Trackday Trophy may be what I'm looking for really but I'll need to wait and see how the costs stack up.

I'm not fussed about being competitive so won't be buying new tyres every week or anything so apart from the race and licence fees themselves I don't see what other costs there would be over and above just doing trackdays (i.e. increased consumable wear and servicing costs)? Or am I totally delusional Laughing

EDIT: Just saw this after googling no budget cup https://www.sportcup.co.uk/

That's the kind of thing I mean. Entry fee is £650 split between 3 riders so it's not much more expensive than a trackday. What other costs would there be cause that doesn't seem too bad at all?
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 18 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check up to see what Hottrax are doing (forum sponsors, I believe Smile ).
At some point they were running an endurance series with a class aimed at the competent trackdayer.

There's some other stuff, including one that was discussed on here which didn't allow ACU national level licence holders.

However, if you want actually cheap, get a 4.2 minimoto.
Pit bikes seem to be a bit of a step up in price.

It may seem like "baby racing", but a hell of a lot the skills are the same and it may stand in you in better stead to start small and work up than starting big and trying to learn everything at once.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 18 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

However, if you want actually cheap, get a 4.2 minimoto.
Pit bikes seem to be a bit of a step up in price.



I beg to differ.

You should see some of the Mini-moto race teams which turn up at Whilton.
They drive full on motorhomes, and the Mini-motos are worth 3 to 4k each! Shocked


Can get a WELL set up pit bike, with two sets of wheels etc, ready to race for about £600. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's probably the roadstocks series that you're talking about Tommy, the idea was that you could race your roadbike. of course what actually happened was that most of the front bikes seemed to be racers with a numberplate! Not sure it's running now

Conventionally as far as cheapness goes, Bemsee's Yamaha Past Masters or MZ's, or Thundersports GB's CB500 series are probably the lowest cost wise. As said previously, no racing is cheap, and it becomes addictive!

Our rider Doug did the no budget cup a couple of years back, ended up costing him a fortune, also the last regs I saw insisted you paid up for the whole season, not sure if that is the case now though.

That Pit Bike racing looks a right laugh Very Happy I bet it's bloody competitive though
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never seen the words racing and cheap in the same sentence Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

whatever form of racing you do it never works out cheap.
You can do one day meetings to make it alot cheaper which is what I'm doing this year.

EMRA is £130 for one class and then 30 for any additional classes on top of that. One set of tyres can last the day aswell which all helps.

If you want to race the zxr tommy then you should be looking at PI classes or roadstock/streetstock classes. mike did well on his old zxr last round at EMRA on his bike in roadstocks and I think he has the same bike as you.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just had a look through the new EMRA site - very impressive I must say

I didn't realise the Roadstocks class was still running, looks like a good series, but I'm guessing there will be a fair few full on race bikes lurking Shocked

Shame they don't allow two-strokes, the YPVS would probably do OK round the shorter tracks Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

no they have a passionate ex roadstocks 1000 champion who is making sure everyone is legit. its a good novice playing filled grid.

snowy there is an OLDstock class which a few LCs run in there, if you can do a 1 minute lap round there your on the podium.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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no they have a passionate ex roadstocks 1000 champion who is making sure everyone is legit. its a good novice playing filled grid.


Ah, fair play then m8, seriously that has to be one of the cheapest classes then, depends of course if you have a suitable bike, bet the racing is close as well. I was at Brands recently, just popped in to drop some bits off at the Thundersports meet, they have a retro sportsbike class that might be worth a look, ZX7R's, Millies and the like.

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snowy there is an OLDstock class which a few LCs run in there, if you can do a 1 minute lap round there your on the podium.


I like Mallory Deano, I've only done the afternoon Wednesday tests there though, so no accurate timings. I think the OLDstocks is up to 250lc, mine has a YPVS engine so I might struggle there Laughing
The TZR would probably do alright in the Formula class though, Doug did well in the Plumb Pudding and really liked the place. I'd like to think I could get the 350 round in a minute, but who knows, might check it out if the dates don't clash.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:

Can get a WELL set up pit bike, with two sets of wheels etc, ready to race for about £600. Very Happy

Reckon you should be able to get a 4.2 minimoto for less than that - my 6.2AC Polini was less than that (ok, some years ago, but don't think second hand prices have gone up and 4.2hp is still 4.2hp Smile ).

A bit less hassle to get around for those with limited transport options.

Would like to give pit bike SM a go, still.

Remember the Desmo Due series for cheapness too.
No wets or tyre warmers I believe, road legal tyres which last for ages thanks to a good chunk less power than a minitwin.
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 19 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
binge wrote:

Can get a WELL set up pit bike, with two sets of wheels etc, ready to race for about £600. Very Happy

Reckon you should be able to get a 4.2 minimoto for less than that - my 6.2AC Polini was less than that (ok, some years ago, but don't think second hand prices have gone up and 4.2hp is still 4.2hp Smile ).

A bit less hassle to get around for those with limited transport options.

Would like to give pit bike SM a go, still.



I guess there is cheap and expensive in both minimoto and pit bikes.


You should come along to our next meeting. It'll probably be in Leicester or Daventry (Stretton or Whilton Mill).
I'll have me mini-pit, and Dammy will have his mid-size. You'll be welcome to a blast on both!




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PostPosted: 00:11 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely be up for a bit of playing if it's Leicester as that's not too unreasonable Smile.
Give me a shout and I'll see what I've got on etc.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come race with Meeeee!!

track day trophy, im really excited!!! Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pick up a CB500 for <£1000, make sure it's sorted (v cheap), lockwire it, get race licence, enter thundersport 500's or Auto66 etc.

200/300 for race entry. Some petrol. The right gear for protection. Getting to the race. Hire/Buy(resell) transponder.


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PostPosted: 12:58 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I'm hoping to do!!! Cool

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PostPosted: 23:00 - 19 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The roadstock series is good.. yes you get the boys rock up on 08-09 gixxrs and r6's but as deano says. i did quite well in round 1 and won in round 2. im on a 2001 zx6r pre injection thing, im just over 16 stone and the bike is absolutely bog stock. 1 min laps will win you pots in the 600 roadstocks. its not all about the bike in the series which helps me to be competative on my ridiculously tight budget.
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