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PostPosted: 14:51 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Schoolgirl five killed after being hit by 2 bikes Reply with quote

A five-year-old girl died today after being knocked down by two motorbikes, while her grandmother remains in a critical condition.
The 72-year-old’s two other granddaughters, aged 10 and six, also received serious injuries in the horrific crash in Weymouth, Dorset, on Sunday.
The five-year-old girl, who has not yet been named, suffered severe head injuries in the collision and died at the Southampton General Hospital.
The family had been crossing a busy road towards a nature reserve when all four were struck by the two machines.
The woman and her youngest granddaughter were flown by air ambulance to Southampton General Hospital where there is a special neurological unit.

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Personally i think its a sad loss and puts motorcyclists in a 'Bad light' even though the family were crossing in a dangerous place, even though there is zebra crossing close-by, Opinions?


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PostPosted: 15:06 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those motorcyclists are going to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives, and probably get penalized for it additionally.

Sad story, shit happens.

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Seems noone was arrested actually... Not sure exactly what happened seems like they crossed at a crossing when it wasnt safe to, or the little kid ran into the road...
"The family had been crossing a busy road towards a nature reserve when all four were struck by the two machines."
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Then you read stories about car/van drivers like this https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113720/White-van-man-runs-teenager-tent-Boy-16-condition-hospital-row-escalated.html
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at that stretch of road where the belongings are scattered, assuming that's where they crossed, it appears to be on a bend, with no pavement either side and nowhere near a pedestrian crossing.

I might sound callous here, but if that is the case, then what the hell was the grandmother thinking of trying to cross there?

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From the comments on the Daily Mail website:

"I live in Weymouth and know this road. It is a by-pass. How many by passes do you know that have crossings on them. There is a crossing not far from the site of the accident for pedestrians.The footpath concerned should be blocked off as it arrives directly onto this road where there is no pathway. It is also at the end of a sweeping bend in the road. Why should these bikers be arrested if it was not their fault. This was a tragic accident.

- Jenny Castell, Weymouth, England, 13/3/2012"

I hope they prosecute the grandmother, Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was expecting a statement along the lines of: "The family were happily crossing the road with no traffic in sight, then out of no where a pack of bikers roared down the road at least 150mph, 2 were seen to be wheelying at the point of impact.". But none of that, must of just been bad judgement by the old lady?
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot even begin to imagine how those bikers feel. I feel sick just thinking about it.

Horrible thing to happen. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 13 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's properly awful. There's no winners there, regardless of what the investigation turns up. Sad
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The grandmother must be in the wrong otherwise the mail would have had a headline something like 'Wreckless daredevil bikers on 200mph superbikes massacre family!'


Feel sorry for all involved, specially the family.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A horrible accident, saying that the bikers will live with it for the rest of there lives.

The media will prob say it was the bikers fault aswell
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 15 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dead-eye-dan wrote:
A horrible accident, saying that the bikers will live with it for the rest of there lives.

The media will prob say it was the bikers fault aswell
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Interestingly it seems that the haven't really.The local news made a point mentioning that the family were from Taunton (i.e. not local) and that it was a tragic accident (which it is).
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 20 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same thing happened recently in Sunderland. Mother crossing a B road with a double buggy and the biker hits her. One of the twins was alright another was critically ill. Theres been no update about this for a month though. There was an outcry though about the biker but when you realise the section of road it's on I wouldn't fancy running across it at 9 in the morning on my own let alone with children.
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 27 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Those motorcyclists are going to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives, and probably get penalized for it additionally.



They will.. but then there will be two more lifves ruined - they need to live their life as they don't know what might happen to them.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 27 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terrible Sad
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 29 Mar 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tragic and terrible.

It seems that nobody is blaming the bikers, which I take to mean they are completely not at fault. It seems the grandmother didn't exercise as good judgement as she could have done and crossed at a risky place.

You would usually expect to see an article completely blaming "bloody bikers", even if it wasn't completely their fault, but the article doesn't seem to have a hint of that.


Cannot imagine how awful they must feel though, and how bad it must be for all those who were involved or witnessed the accident.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a bit wrong that if the riders were in the wrong they would be thoroughly slated but when some innocent grandmother pedestrian makes a bad judgement no blame is directly placed.

Can't imagine the family's emotional state either. Neutral
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 03 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
I think it's a bit wrong that if the riders were in the wrong they would be thoroughly slated but when some innocent grandmother pedestrian makes a bad judgement no blame is directly placed.

Can't imagine the family's emotional state either. Neutral


I agree, they don't wanna blame the grandmother, but they know they can't blame the biker so they kinda pretend to sit on the fence
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 05 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irresponsible motorcyclists!!! Awwww... I hate them!
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 05 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:

I hope they prosecute the grandmother, Evil or Very Mad


Really?!
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 05 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Andy_Pagin wrote:

I hope they prosecute the grandmother, Evil or Very Mad


Really?!


Yes, reading the full story it appears on the face of it to be entirely her fault that a child was killed. If it had been the bikers fault you can be damn sure they would be prosecuted, surely the law should be applied in the same way to pedestrians? Being a 'little old lady' shouldn't amount to a 'get out of jail free' card.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 05 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Yes, reading the full story it appears on the face of it to be entirely her fault that a child was killed. If it had been the bikers fault you can be damn sure they would be prosecuted, surely the law should be applied in the same way to pedestrians? Being a 'little old lady' shouldn't amount to a 'get out of jail free' card.


Fair enough, if that's how you feel. I'd maybe lean towards the fact there's nothing quite like losing those dear to you for punishment, so a jail sentence to a grandlady isn't going to do much cop.

At any rate, I'd not go as bold as to assume that the pensioner is 'entirely' at fault basd on on what's presented. But maybe that's just me allowing benefit of doubt past a half story.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 21 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Looking at that stretch of road where the belongings are scattered, assuming that's where they crossed, it appears to be on a bend, with no pavement either side and nowhere near a pedestrian crossing.

I might sound callous here, but if that is the case, then what the hell was the grandmother thinking of trying to cross there?

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From the comments on the Daily Mail website:

"I live in Weymouth and know this road. It is a by-pass. How many by passes do you know that have crossings on them. There is a crossing not far from the site of the accident for pedestrians.The footpath concerned should be blocked off as it arrives directly onto this road where there is no pathway. It is also at the end of a sweeping bend in the road. Why should these bikers be arrested if it was not their fault. This was a tragic accident.

- Jenny Castell, Weymouth, England, 13/3/2012"

I hope they prosecute the grandmother, Evil or Very Mad



While I agree with the opening statement Andy.

I don't believe the Grandmother should/will be prosecuted, the CPS will look upon this and consider what she has witnessed and been through as a direct result of her actions....will probably decide she has been punished enough.

Very tragic for all involved
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 21 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can pretty much tell the bikers were a decent bunch. Look at the few pictures you can see of them.
The Blackbird is very stock looking, and they are all in proper motorbike gear, yet not power-ranger style, hooligan gear either.

Totally agree with Andy, was the old womans fault. What a rediculous place to be crossing a road!

Poor little kiddies!
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 21 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that looking at the photos of the bikers, middle aged, sensible gear, pillions ect you wouldn't think of them as hooligans. Which is probably why the police didn't arrest them. I wonder how different it would have been if it had happened to be a bunch of twenty year olds on race reps.
I reckon the old lady probably saw a break in traffic and though it was safe to cross completely looking through the bikes. I can't really see the point in punishing her further as it was clearly just a tragic accident. I'm sure we've all taken silly little risks at some point.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 21 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:
I agree that looking at the photos of the bikers, middle aged, sensible gear, pillions ect you wouldn't think of them as hooligans. Which is probably why the police didn't arrest them. I wonder how different it would have been if it had happened to be a bunch of twenty year olds on race reps.
I reckon the old lady probably saw a break in traffic and though it was safe to cross completely looking through the bikes. I can't really see the point in punishing her further as it was clearly just a tragic accident. I'm sure we've all taken silly little risks at some point.

Bollocks, who pays for the bikes and the injuries - coming off at any speed is bound to result in (actual) whiplash. If she'd have been driving a car and they'd hit the door killing the kid its damn certain she'd be taken to the cleaners. You can also be pretty sure that if it was the bikers fault and (for example) the pillion had died, it wouldn't be 'sufficient punishment' and they'd be strung up.

The kid dieing is said, but its not punishment, its a foreseeable consequence of her own stupidity.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 22 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't say that the bikers shouldn't claim for their losses off of the Grandmother. I just can't see the point in the police prosecuting her over the death of her Granddaughter. She has already been punished and what is to be gained from locking her up.
It wasn't a motorway so presumably they were allowed to cross the road there, so apart from making a costly misjudgment she hasn't done anything illegal.
It says that there was a path leading to the road and that they weren't local so maybe they were not aware that there was a crossing further down. Maybe the little girl ran into the road and the old lady tried to stop her?
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