Clutchless shifting....

[PsychoKart]

I just started clutchless upshifting (from 2->3 3->4 4->5 5->6 gear). and I'm hooked. I always clutch downshifts.

Does anyone else clutchless upshift the higher gears ALL THE TIME too?

Adrian
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[Neoluke]

If you was ment to not use the clutch it wouldn't be there IMO.

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[Ste]

Sometimes clutchless upshift, as long as you don't do it wrong (it's easy to do, bit of upwards pressure on the gear changer, release the throttle a bit and then put it back on at the same time as more pressure on gear changer) and will have less general wear on the bike than changing using the clutch. DOn't do clutchless down shift, much harder and much more likely to go wrong and do expensive damage.

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[Neoluke]

[Nath]

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[mr jamez]

Yep, oh dear

[mrchips]

I would only not use the clutch going up the gears if I'm out for a fast blast, other than that 90% of the time I like to use my clutch, even if isn't as smooth unless youre slow.

[stinkwheel]

[Sparks!]

I agree with Kryptix, in a way anyway.

The clutch is designed to be used, it's easier to change gear with it and obviously required for down shifting. It's teached at CBT riding schools and is clearly designed to be used in order to ride. Fact.

People who clutchless upshift are doing so because that's what they prefer, or that it's quicker or maybe easier for some people.

There is no right or wrong so no need to argue over it, it's what people prefer.

Personally, on the R6 I always use the clutch. The WR I normally mix both, sometimes I clutch sometimes I don't, country lanes I generally don't bother with the clutch and obviously for wheelying it's clutchless too...

IMO neither is right nor wrong, people can do what they find easiest/most suited to the riding they do/are doing at the time.
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[katana]

Well I was taught that this was bad for all gearboxes as the is an increased shock load to the gearbox bearing. There for shortens the service life of the box. This is what I was told

Saying that if you are smooth you can up and down shift with no clutch. You just have to be smooth and rev match. Try doing that on a non syncromesh gearbox. when you master it, it is easier and quieter that changing with the clutch.

[Andy99]

If i'm hard in the power then i'll not use the clutch as it's a smoother change,this puts less sudden load on the gearbox than letting the clutch out too fast. When i'm just trundling about at low revs then i'll use the clutch as it's a smoother change at low revs.
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[stryker]

I've done both up and down by accident! smooth as silk as it happened, but no, the norm for me is use the clutch. I only apply a little clutch when changing though.

Think about it, even very fast clutching is still going to be gentler than one big BLAM as the gear teeth engage.

[mr.z]

Allot of different gear boxes on allot of different bikes, generally i use the clutch, upshifting it will do fine down is bit tricky (i'm not happy with doing it anyway) clutch sets are what £40 at the most? a new gearbox? eh... i dread to think (and thats assumeing your doing it yourself!)

I do blip the throttle on down changes, apart from sounding cool it matches the speed of the engine to the wheels better, which in more powerfull bike will save you haveing a locked wheel, otherwise is better for the engine...
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[Dom_]

Ive not yet tried a clutchless upshift, however i have done a clutchless downshift. Didnt make any strange noises and it sounded fine.

I dont do clutchless downshifts often i just wanted to see if it would work, and it did.

[iCraig]

I do it sometimes when I want to accellerate fast and move up the gearbox, though most of the time I use the clutch and move up smoothly.

[The Tot]

I made the mistake of clutchless shifting from 1st - 2nd off the lights only to realise it bounced into neutral - lesson learnt, always use the clutch form 1st - 2nd, from then on, depending on the revs, i either clutchless shift or 1/2 clutch it up the gearbox. In my opinion, 1/2 clutches are much smoother than some clutchless shifts, and i have a conscious satsifying feeling that i'm not harming the gearbox (but if i get it spot on, clutchless shift is really sweet). Plus, it's sounds nicer with a 1/2 or clutchless shift - you get that "click" sound, quite similar to some guy an a skyline with a quick shifter! . However, try to always use the clutch when running in (if mine has buggered up, i'll try to get it replaced under warranty ) - Oh and ALWAYS use the clutch when going down REGARDLESS of any other school of thought one may have.
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[PikeyNSR]

I always use the clutch from 1st into 2nd as there is obviously a risk of finding nuetral half way through the change.

But i dont bother for the rest of the gears when riding solo. Passengers can get thrown around if you get a change wrong when not using the clutch, so I do use the clutch as it is smoother, when I have a passenger.

Downshifts, (3rd into 2nd) can be down without using the clutch, but it is harder.
Just before pressing the lever down, just slightly blip the throttle and the revs will be raised enough for the gear to engage.
Only seems to work well at slightly higher revs though (8,000 - 10,000rpm!)

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[stinkwheel]

[Raffles_Gentleman Thug]

I tend to half-clutch or occasionally if im feeling flash and there's no-one around to hear the grinding metal I'll have a go at a clutchless shift.
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