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PostPosted: 20:42 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Installing accessory socket for use in the rain Reply with quote

Guys

I have bought a Garmin Nuvi 1690 which is a Car GPS.

I want to use it with a waterpoof holder on my bike.

I'd like to be able to keep it charged on the bike in all weathers.

I have a KTM 950 SMR, and apparently it has accessory wiring you can tap into behind the headlight to wire a socket in.

What sockets have people used, how have they mounted them and how did they fair to hours of usage in the rain?

If it rains really hard, it's going to get a certain amount of water ingress into the socket, how have people gotten around this issue?
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: Installing accessory socket for use in the rain Reply with quote

My 690 enduro came with four crimp style connectors - a set that were only on while the engine was running, with the other on with the ignition.

I just used some two pin connectors from https://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu ; they do waterproof connectors as well, but my normal ones weren't a problem tucked under the headlight.

However, if the adaptor is inside the cigarette plug it's self, it'll be more trouble some.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: Installing accessory socket for use in the rain Reply with quote

G wrote:
My 690 enduro came with four crimp style connectors - a set that were only on while the engine was running, with the other on with the ignition.

I just used some two pin connectors from https://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu ; they do waterproof connectors as well, but my normal ones weren't a problem tucked under the headlight.

However, if the adaptor is inside the cigarette plug it's self, it'll be more trouble some.
The 950 SMR has the same 4 leads!

I am confused by "if the adaptor is inside the cigarette plug it's self, it'll be more trouble some" ?

I want to power a Car GPS which has a mini USB cable.

Ideally I would hardwire a Mini USB cable into the 2 crimp leads behind the headlight, but have no idea if such a solution is possible?

Did you wire a 12v cigarette lighter socket into yours? Have you charged stuff with it when its raining?
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: Installing accessory socket for use in the rain Reply with quote

Brick_Top wrote:

Did you wire a 12v cigarette lighter socket into yours? Have you charged stuff with it when its raining?

I have used them before; I've used some gaffa tape to be sure it wouldn't get water in.

Didn't realise it was USB - that way is probably as easy as any to do. Should be fine to leave hardwired in.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: Installing accessory socket for use in the rain Reply with quote

Brick_Top wrote:
G wrote:
My 690 enduro came with four crimp style connectors - a set that were only on while the engine was running, with the other on with the ignition.

I just used some two pin connectors from https://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu ; they do waterproof connectors as well, but my normal ones weren't a problem tucked under the headlight.

However, if the adaptor is inside the cigarette plug it's self, it'll be more trouble some.
The 950 SMR has the same 4 leads!

I am confused by "if the adaptor is inside the cigarette plug it's self, it'll be more trouble some" ?

I want to power a Car GPS which has a mini USB cable.

Ideally I would hardwire a Mini USB cable into the 2 crimp leads behind the headlight, but have no idea if such a solution is possible?

Did you wire a 12v cigarette lighter socket into yours? Have you charged stuff with it when its raining?


I have a 12v cigarette lighter socket which I pop a car satnav into and use a Kappa TK741 satnav bag. The lighter socket is clamped onto the bike with cable ties which work themselves loose occasionally.

Yes, you can do it but I didn't do it myself because I don't deal with electricity.

I've used this in heavy rain with zero issues and it's really handy.

The reason I went with the Kappa is because of the size of the car satnav I have. Mine is 5 inches which means the Kappa is the only holder big enough to fit it and that's with far too much time stretching it into shape so it all wedges in. A smaller satnav is loads better and less fiddly.

The little Kappa is also a little bulkier than you think but is fairly robust.

Personally, I'd prefer a satnav I could just clip onto the bars like the little upright holder Kappa sells. There are quite a few others kicking around as well but I like Kappa - my topbox and tankbag are both Kappa and after 15 years, my tankbag needs replacing.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Re: Installing accessory socket for use in the rain Reply with quote

G wrote:
Brick_Top wrote:

Did you wire a 12v cigarette lighter socket into yours? Have you charged stuff with it when its raining?

I have used them before; I've used some gaffa tape to be sure it wouldn't get water in.

Didn't realise it was USB - that way is probably as easy as any to do. Should be fine to leave hardwired in.
Something like this looks ideal, could just crimp some relevan connectors on and plug into the KTM loom: https://www.ridermount.com/Images/productimages/90miniusb.jpg

It's a shame it doesn't come with a waterproof cap for the Miniusb end? Seems like a massive over-sight to me??
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done this. Half a day's job with a solding iron, Chock block, fuse holder, and some wire. Have the end spade's round. Did have some photo's as it was asked before.

Crimp on two round's connector's. Connect to battery. Spade connector's in to chock block. The chock block need's to be three hole's long. Neg in and out. On to the power take off cigarette socket. Live in out in to the fuse holder back in on to the next empty hole, Live out to the socket. Put the lot under the seat. Including the open end of the cigarette socket. I have the lot wrapped up in a yellow duster and some elastic band's round it. A just in case type of thing. Leave the whole lot under the seat, Now just thread the sat nav take off, in under the seat and plug in. Snap down seat. And Bob's your Mother's brother. I have a few of them peal off sticky plastic hook's that you can get from most DIY place's. Run the lead in them out of the way. No problem.
Hope that help's
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 30 Apr 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't worry too much - providing it's a bit out of the way and pointed down a bit; you could always make your own little cap or similar.

John933 wrote:

Hope that help's

Seems you were too busy with your big writing to note that his bike already has the wiring Wink.
So he doesn't need to wire it into the battery and it's already fused.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you could do is just hook up a hardwire cable to your battery and save the need for fannying about too much. Laughing

https://www.ultimate-mobiles.co.uk/library/universal/hardwire-cables/motorcycle-hardwire-kit/universal/diagram.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 01 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevie GooGs wrote:
What you could do is just hook up a hardwire cable to your battery and save the need for fannying about too much. Laughing

https://www.ultimate-mobiles.co.uk/library/universal/hardwire-cables/motorcycle-hardwire-kit/universal/diagram.jpg
No point going back to the battery with it - there is wiring behind the headlight on KTMs as per the previous posts.

I'll be getting a hardwire cable like this (the right angled USB one): https://www.powerlinkproducts.co.uk/hardwiredchargers.html

As there are less connections etc then.

I'll just chop the battery side of the loom down and crimp 6mm spades on for use with the KTM accessory wiring Smile
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 07 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't USB 5 volt?
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 07 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stalk wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't USB 5 volt?

It is 5v - that's why you need an adapter.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 08 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just bought this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390147938101?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_1804wt_754

Haven't fitted or used it yet, so will let you know how it is when I have.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 06 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if you've managed to sort your problem out, but I have installed 2 cig lighter sockets on my bikes before.

I just got something similar to the post above from ebay, with built in fuse holder and a small waterproof plastic box from Maplins.

I simply used a holesaw to drill holes into the lid of the waterproof box (I did two, one for phone charger, one for satnav charger), install the 12v sockets into the box, bolted the box into the storage compartment under the seat, connected wires to battery and feed charger cables to where they're required.

Worked like a dream in all weathers (One of the plugs worked it's way loose out of the socket on a bumpy road in the south of France, but a quick stop to just plug it back in and I was on my way, only happened once).

Obviously as it's connected directly to the battery it's always live, but it never drained the battery once (you could always wire a switch in) and it could easily be swapped from bike to bike in a few minutes.
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 07 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Stalk wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't USB 5 volt?

It is 5v - that's why you need an adapter.

just get one of these and wire it to the battery
https://burnsmoto.com/usb-power-socket-weatherproof.php
it seems to be very popular amount the adventure sports crowd and is 5v output to USB - A
Then get yourself:
1x USB - A to USB - A cable
1x USB - A to USB - B cable
to to carry on the bike & power whatever accesories you want
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 16 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waterproof socket fitted to bike fairing panel from eBay (a reliable person I use ) cable direct to battery all for around £10
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