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PostPosted: 13:48 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Mini Rant Reply with quote

Why does it seem that Farmers can cover the roads in Mud, Shit and whatever else comes off their fields and deposit it on the road for us all to try and avoid, without being dealt with by the authorities?
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does it seem that bikers think they can go tearing around public roads, designed for use by everybody, and not have to expect a little mud on the road in the country side?

Lanes = farms

Farms = fields and tractors

Fields and tractors = Mud

Ride so that you can stop in the distance you can see and you wont have an issue. Or do as I do and dont moan when you have a close one from riding like a tit when it is reasonable to expect mud etcetera on the roads. Problem solved.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:

Ride so that you can stop in the distance you can see and you wont have an issue. Or do as I do and dont moan when you have a close one from riding like a tit when it is reasonable to expect mud etcetera on the roads. Problem solved.


there is nothing reasonable about coming round a corner to find some tit has left a shit load of loose gravel all over a road that was pristine an hour earlyer O.O .
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fireyphoenix1989 wrote:

there is nothing reasonable about coming round a corner to find some tit has left a shit load of loose gravel all over a road that was pristine an hour earlyer O.O .

Yes there is. It's the country side. Those roads are there to connect the communities which were traditionally farming communities.

Stock answer; what if it was a kid that had wandered in to the road?

If you can't react in time, you probably shouldn't be going so fast Wink.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, but there is nothing sensible about flying around the corner either, what if there is a broken down car on the other side?

Trust me I by no means ride like an angel, but if I fly around a corner and hit some cow turds, I take it like a man, if you feel like it you can search my posts for the time I tried kneedowning my GPZ500 and hit gravel on a roundabout, leaving me with a 2 mile push back home. Didn't blame anybody but myself.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fireyphoenix1989 wrote:
c_dug wrote:

Ride so that you can stop in the distance you can see and you wont have an issue. Or do as I do and dont moan when you have a close one from riding like a tit when it is reasonable to expect mud etcetera on the roads. Problem solved.


there is nothing reasonable about coming round a corner to find some tit has left a shit load of loose gravel all over a road that was pristine an hour earlyer O.O .


Probably reasonable to assume that other people use the roads and don't care much for others. And there are no track stewards out in the country Wink
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably the fact there's no law against it.

Or maybe the authorities should enforce everything that Joe Bloggs doesn't like Wink
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Probably the fact there's no law against it.

Or maybe the authorities should enforce everything that Joe Bloggs doesn't like Wink

I think there is a law against farmers leaving mud on the road.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick search and I found this.
https://www.nfuonline.com/Our-work/Farm-safety/Guidance/Mud-on-the-road/
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmm, you'd think there would be, I see no actual law citation though, so I'm not so sure about that link.

but if there is a law against it then i'll say Why does it seem that Farmers can cover the roads in Mud, Shit and whatever else comes off their fields and deposit it on the road for us all to try and avoid, without being dealt with by the authorities?
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
True, but there is nothing sensible about flying around the corner either, what if there is a broken down car on the other side?.


If the speed limit is 60 and you doing that or probably a bit less around some bends isn't flying about its obeying the limit. Farmers should have a duty of care to road users (I would like to see this go to court maybe one day and see their opinion). Of course most riders are cautious but we shouldn't expect to be put in danger.

If a car is driving around with an oil leak that is causing a hazard I would like to hope the police would pull them over so I also agree the same should apply to farmers.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Themightyimp wrote:


Hmm, you'd think there would be, I see no actual law citation though, so I'm not so sure about that link.

but if there is a law against it then i'll say Why does it seem that Farmers can cover the roads in Mud, Shit and whatever else comes off their fields and deposit it on the road for us all to try and avoid, without being dealt with by the authorities?
Because it doesn't earn the Police any money,unlike sitting around with speed detectors.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Highways Act 1980 s41

(This isn't the legislation below is a particular of claim (what you solictor would send the court) if you had an accident it sets out the highways agency would be negligent if mud was on the road.

The accident was caused or contributed to by the negligence of the Part 20 Defendants their employees or agents acting in the course of their employment.


(a) caused or permitted there to be or remain mud on road;

(b) failed to institute or operate or maintain any or any sufficient system to ensure that the road was free of mud;

(c) failed by their employee [insert name] who attended with a mechanical sweeper earlier on the day of the accident, to sweep the road adequately or at all;

(d) caused or permitted there to be held on the field on the opposite side of the road to the point at which the accident occurred a market which they knew or ought to have known would attract vehicles which would, when leaving the field, bring or leave mud onto the road;

(e) caused permitted or suffered the said road surface to come to be or to remain so contaminated with mud as to be slippery and dangerous to vehicular traffic;

(f) failed to put out any or any sufficient warning signs to vehicular traffic to the effect that there was mud on the road and/or that the road surface was slippery;

(g) failed to take any or any adequate or timely steps obviate or minimise the risk of mud coming to be or remaining lying on the surface of the road;

(h) failed in the circumstances to take sufficient care for road users;

(i) in the premises failed to discharge there duties under section 41 of the 1980 Act.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wiltshire Council sums up the law in human-readable form here...

https://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/parkingtransportandstreets/roadshighwayspavements/reportahighwayproblem/mudonthehighway/mudonthehighwayguidance.htm
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont ride like a tit in the countryside then. That was one of the first things i was taught on my cbt.
People are right. If a kid walked out onto the street or there was a broken down car you should be able to stop in time, same goes for cow shit Wink
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

93tone wrote:
If the speed limit is 60 and you doing that or probably a bit less around some bends isn't flying about its obeying the limit.


Stock answer, it is a speed limit not a speed goal.

If the road is icy you wouldn't blat it everywhere at 70, at least I wouldn't. If you're coming up to a blind corner, slowing down is sensible. Hardly rocket science.

Doing a blind corner at 60 is definitely 'flying around', regardless of speed limit.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

93tone wrote:

If the speed limit is 60 and you doing that or probably a bit less around some bends isn't flying about its obeying the limit.

It is a 'limit'. Thankfully we haven't got quite such a bad state that a maximum limit is specified for every corner.

If you tried to take it to court that you were "doing the speed limit so it should have been safe" when you crashed on mud, you'll be laughed out!
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Up our way if we call the police and report mud/shit on the road they come out and have the farmer clean it up.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically, farmers are required by law to clean up their mess the same as the rest of us. There is a road near me that I am always wary of because there is one farmer in particular who sometimes leaves so much mud on the road - and this is a main road - that it is so deep it's enough for cars to get bogged down in it, come round the bend on a motorcycle at over 70mph and down you go. The man is a f*cking menace.

I expect a little mud on country roads thrown off by tractor tyres and other large vehicles but some farmers are absolute bastards who probably do it on purpose.
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mud is fun, mud and wet roads after sunshine, more fun, avoiding said conditions more fun.

On a 125 2t, not sure if how i would like it at 100 mph plus Cool
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kidbrooke Park Road. SE London.

Dickheads are dropping mud everywhere.

Knocked down the Ferrier Estate (Good riddance) and drive from site to site leaving loads of the shit all over the road. Rain = sludge = BAD

I know it's there but maybe casual user might not.

Sue the feckkers if ya come off. Thumbs Up

Country side, well it's par for the course I guess.
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest those who know who is dropping the mud or have seen mud on the road, should report it to the council. So if someone comes off, then the council have had warning of it happening and they have to sort it asap. You could also then claim off the highways agency (as a friend of mine did recently) Also i'm sure a farmer is required by either law or council rules to at least put a sign up warning of the imminent danger ahead as in mud on road. Just to cover them from insurance claims. If there is no sign and you can prove who dumped the mud, then you can sue the arse off them. But it may be a tough one to prove. Slow down on country roads.
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PostPosted: 03:38 - 05 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Why does it seem that bikers think they can go tearing around public roads, designed for use by everybody, and not have to expect a little mud on the road in the country side?

Lanes = farms

Farms = fields and tractors

Fields and tractors = Mud

Ride so that you can stop in the distance you can see and you wont have an issue. Or do as I do and dont moan when you have a close one from riding like a tit when it is reasonable to expect mud etcetera on the roads. Problem solved.


Who mentioned going to fast or having a close one and moaning about it, the fact remains that they are not allowed to deposit a shed load of mud from their equipment on the road. So by your reckoning, mud all over the road is ok as its the countryside, what about Diesel? Is that ok because vehicles run on it and might not have secured their fuel cap properly. The fact remains if you come around a corner and are faced with a road full of mud, weather you are doing 15 or 50 the potential is still there for you to have an accident, caused by something that should not be there in the first place because the culprit has a legal responsibility to clear it up.
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