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PostPosted: 20:16 - 03 May 2012    Post subject: Sea Foam.... Reply with quote

Seems over on the US forums everyone uses sea foam as lube its that good.
Has anyone ever used it here? Any good? Or is it just their own version of Redex Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 03 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's much better than Redex. Naptha is what makes it good.

The bloke I sold my CBR to ran some through it, and it's made a world of difference.
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 03 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Sea Foam.... Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
Seems over on the US forums everyone uses sea foam as lube its that good.
Has anyone ever used it here? Any good? Or is it just their own version of Redex Rolling Eyes


I think it's a load of Horse-shit.

If it was such a panacea manufacturers would use it.

Snake Oil is better.

They have a massive amount of Blurb on it for all it is.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 03 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an American snake oil, magic beanstalk version of Redex.

What I mean by that is it is unlikely to do anything, good or bad.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, is there an additive worth using? Or are they all nonsense?
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear reddex and the like is good for old bikes with dirty carbs but not much more
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
I hear reddex and the like is good for old bikes with dirty carbs but not much more


Thats all redex is advertised for, so you are saying it works? Its a fuel system cleaner.
I figured it would work better by opening the airbox and spraying redex directly into the carb, tries to stall but its doable.
Doubt it did anything though
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

easy - time to update you sig!
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatjames wrote:
easy - time to update you sig!


Will do once ive collected the bike,only got the deposit down atm, waiting on a good day to ride it back Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
Alpha-9 wrote:
I hear reddex and the like is good for old bikes with dirty carbs but not much more


Thats all redex is advertised for, so you are saying it works? Its a fuel system cleaner.
I figured it would work better by opening the airbox and spraying redex directly into the carb, tries to stall but its doable.
Doubt it did anything though


I don't know, my point was that it'd likely make a difference on an old dirty carburated bike, but for newer bikes and those with fuel injection, it's pretty much pointless, probably.

Probably worth using in a 10 year old CG, but not much else
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to clear gummed up carbs on bikes sat for a while. Maybe more to do with the crappy fuel the yanks are being sold, it might be cheap but its loaded with a high percentage of bio fuel. Its certainly worked on enough bikes to be worth trying. Dont know if its available over here though.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can pick it up through ebay, but it is not cheap. 1 can costs about the same as a 1 ltr of ACF50.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its expensive but its one of the best fuel system cleaners on the market .
there are loads of fucking idiots that think its a performance booster its NOT . its for cleaning the carbs plain and simple run a few tanks of fuel with sea foam mixxed in cleans em up almost as well as a full strip and clean Razz
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used Amway branded fuel additive (and Redex, fwiw) in the past, which had similar claims to clean and improve the efficiency of the engine - however I'm not entirely convinced that it did everything that was claimed.

Not sure how effective this particular snake oil is, but would be good to hear consumer reviews either way
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive got some spare cash to play with, might buy a bottle, as ive just got a 1990 virago which has been sat since November really, though passed MOT and idled every now and again.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnMJlGeejJ0
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the Pan-Euro forums all the yanks swear by this stuff on bikes that have been left for a while. Make of that what you will.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's ok stuff. 5th gear done a big lab test ages ago, but they were looking at it from a performance point of view. For performance, it simply doesn't work, it doesn't give you any gain.

For cleaning, I think it's ok. I've occasionally chucked it in cars and bikes that have been sitting a while, or are due a service and they seems to run a little smoother, but that's it.

It wont harm anything and it seems to clean a bit of gunk out so I'll generally stick it in maybe once every 10k as it doesn't cost that much and possibly helps.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

is this just like10K Boost from back in the day?
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

robbieguy2003 wrote:
I think it's ok stuff. 5th gear done a big lab test ages ago, but they were looking at it from a performance point of view. For performance, it simply doesn't work, it doesn't give you any gain.

For cleaning, I think it's ok. I've occasionally chucked it in cars and bikes that have been sitting a while, or are due a service and they seems to run a little smoother, but that's it.

It wont harm anything and it seems to clean a bit of gunk out so I'll generally stick it in maybe once every 10k as it doesn't cost that much and possibly helps.


Its £20 unless you found it cheaper? The only performance gain it might give is a better running engine with cleaner carbs, but not the traditional kind of performance gain on an already clean engine. 5th gear is a shit show imo, they do the most pointless tests and look at them as if they have some credibility, at least when Top gear do tests they look at it in a 'this test is for entertainment and proves nothing' kind of way
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

EasyDuz, i'd agree, the 5th gear test was wrong, it looked at performance and the additives/cleaners simply dont work that way.

I can't remember the cost, but it was in the region of this. I tend to do it after an oil change if I remember, only because when I have it's just felt a bit nicer.

Everything i've got is FI now but they do an FI version and it seems to make it run a bit nicer.

Rather than performance, it just tends to make the engine feel slightly smoother at all revs, so while it's not performance in terms of chasing torque and hp, it tends to make it feel less lumpy.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The deal with these things (and the rubbish the petrol companies sell as 'Premium plus') is that its very nearly impossible or impractical for the lay-person to determine if there are any real benefits in using an additive.

The ones that claim to help prevent wear, keep fuel systems clean etc. would require very close monitoring and measurement over time as their effects (if any) are so subtle and slight.

The only people who have this info, unfortunately, are the folk selling it.

I use loads of petrol and diesel but can see no valid reason to pay extra for premium-plus or any other additive.

Some folk are fooled by/happy with the placebo effect though.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
The deal with these things (and the rubbish the petrol companies sell as 'Premium plus') is that its very nearly impossible or impractical for the lay-person to determine if there are any real benefits in using an additive.

The ones that claim to help prevent wear, keep fuel systems clean etc. would require very close monitoring and measurement over time as their effects (if any) are so subtle and slight.

The only people who have this info, unfortunately, are the folk selling it.

I use loads of petrol and diesel but can see no valid reason to pay extra for premium-plus or any other additive.

Some folk are fooled by/happy with the placebo effect though.


Im assuming people who swear by it are ones who had a very up and down idle, or very poor performance prior to using it. Thats not placebo, thats facts, you know if it has cured your bike problem or not...
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
Im assuming people who swear by it are ones who had a very up and down idle, or very poor performance prior to using it. Thats not placebo, thats facts, you know if it has cured your bike problem or not...


The amazing thing about placebo is that those affected are unaware.
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I get wot you are saying but there is NO magic bullet out there.

Running an additive through the fuel system will help. But if you notice any effect it's not a miracle of science. It's the solvents in whateva you put through the system.
If it saves a strip down then fair enough. For long term benefit I wouldn't bother my arse with it. I have used fuel stabilizer in my bikes before but I never noticed ANY improvement.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 04 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
EazyDuz wrote:
Im assuming people who swear by it are ones who had a very up and down idle, or very poor performance prior to using it. Thats not placebo, thats facts, you know if it has cured your bike problem or not...


The amazing thing about placebo is that those affected are unaware.
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I get wot you are saying but there is NO magic bullet out there.

Running an additive through the fuel system will help. But if you notice any effect it's not a miracle of science. It's the solvents in whateva you put through the system.
If it saves a strip down then fair enough. For long term benefit I wouldn't bother my arse with it. I have used fuel stabilizer in my bikes before but I never noticed ANY improvement.


I bought some briggs and stratton fuel stabilizer for when i left my bike over winter, left it from November through to Jan/Feb, the fuel in the tank was absolutely fine. But probably would have been anyway.
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