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Hi & welcome to the forum  I think you just need a CBT to be able to ride a moped upto 50cc without L plates  |
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...because you passed your test after January 1990, you don't have the grand father rights for A/P entitlement without code 122 (after passing CBT)
Pass your CBT and you can ride a moped/geared motorcycle up to 125cc
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| Posted: 19:41 - 06 May 2012 Post subject: |
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| Posted: 20:12 - 06 May 2012 Post subject: |
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In a nutshell - with your car licence you can ride a 500cc moped that is capable of no more than 32mph without L plates and carry pillion passengers. You do not legally need a CBT to do this.
If the 50cc bike is faster than 32mph then it is no longer a moped but a motorcycle and you need a CBT to ride it and you would need L plates and could not carry a passenger.
That said, most of the 50's on our roads are de-restricted without being declared as such 
My partner and I both have de-restricted Baotian Speedy BT49 mopeds and love em to bits 
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JUST do a CBT, end the confusion!
Its NOT like you wont learn something.
My advice; book it on a school bike, and make it a geared 125, just for the lols see if you like it....
Take it from there.
Once you have done your CBT, it will, if needs be validate moped entitlement, it WILL let you ride 125's on L's for two years....
But it WILL inform you of all the important stuff you OUGHT to know about, that learning to drive a car will have never considered, AND give you insights into where you might go from there vis getting a full bike licence.
WHICH if you want a powered tow wheeler, REALLY ought to be on the cards.
You wouldn't expect to jump behind teh wheel of a car, and drive without passing a test unsupervised, would you?
So go get some basic learning... cant be too hard, your lads done it 
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | JUST do a CBT, end the confusion!
Its NOT like you wont learn something.
My advice; book it on a school bike, and make it a geared 125, just for the lols see if you like it....
Take it from there.
Once you have done your CBT, it will, if needs be validate moped entitlement, it WILL let you ride 125's on L's for two years....
But it WILL inform you of all the important stuff you OUGHT to know about, that learning to drive a car will have never considered, AND give you insights into where you might go from there vis getting a full bike licence.
WHICH if you want a powered tow wheeler, REALLY ought to be on the cards.
You wouldn't expect to jump behind teh wheel of a car, and drive without passing a test unsupervised, would you?
So go get some basic learning... cant be too hard, your lads done it |
Probs the most simplistic yet best advice on this topic so far
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Uh-oh, sounds like you've been bitten by the motorcycling bug already, I hope you've got a lot of spare cash sloshing around because it's an expensive habit. 
If you want to buy a scooter or motorcycle, the total cost is going to be somewhere in the region of £1500 - £2000 just to buy a cheapie bike for around £800. I agree with Teflon Mike, a CBT and perhaps a couple of lessons on a hired bike will give you a good taster before you commit to buying a motorcycle and insurance. |
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| moz76 wrote: | haha .. cheers for the advice guys i will book a cbt and talk it over when i do so ...thanks folks... |
You are over 21, schools are likely to try and puch DAS courses at you.
Many presume that DAS is the only way to get a Full unrestricted licence, and you HAVE to do a 'course' to get it.
JUST to forwarn you; DONT be lead up the path and 'over-sold'.
DAS is two provisions of test rules:
1/ if over 21 you may ONLY under supervision of a qualified & approved DAS instructor, ride a machine over 125cc on L-Plates.
2/ You may test on ANY DAS eligible bike (I think 495cc & 45bhp or something like that) and gain, imedietly Full A group entitlement without restriction.
TESTS are exactly the SAME as if you do them on a 125, and COST exactly the same amount; though many schools, will suggest that if you are 'Doing DAS' and are hiring the bike from them to do tests on, you have to book through teh school, and they levy an admin fee on top of the DSA Test fee....
Test on a 125, CURRENTLY you get the exact same licence, FULL A-Group entitlement, ONLY you have a 2 year 'power probation' and cant ride anything with more than 33bhp, though may be any capacity.
My very seriouse advice is, after CBT, whether you MAY wish to test under DAS or not.... keep your options open, keep the costs down, and ride out THIS summer on your own 125.
Say it time & time again, "Time on a Tiddler is Rarely Wasted"
They are demanding bikes to ride; without any excess power or weight, they dont have much stability to 'damp' newbie clumsiness, so they challenge & encourage you to lay down GOOD foundation machine control skills, that will let you build your confidence and prepare you well for later riding, whatever size of bike that may be.
Its also offers 'Cheap' learning.
If you do a DAS course, usually three four or five days, maybe twenty hours saddle time.... and a LOT of it, paying MERELY to learn 'test tricks' and pay instructor time for them to do no more than watch you practice.
If you have your own 125, and get some EARLY lessons, soon as you have it.... couple of hours a week.... You are paying the instructor to CHECK what you are doing, and make SURE, right away, what you are doing is right, so you DONT spend ages getting more entrenched doing the WRONG thing... then you get guidance on what you should be doing.... and can go away and PRACTICE that to your hearts content, pretty much for petrol pennies.
AND getting that saddle time in, over a longer period, you are likely to get a wider range of experience, that you can feed back into lessons, and learn stuff that you might never touch on in an intensive course.
Three months, maybe eight lessons? You ought to be very ready for tests, but also for early riding beyond tests.
At THAT point, you can decide IF you want to utilise DAS rules, and test cheaply on your own bike, or pay for a couple of conversion lessons & bike hire to get familiar with a bigger DAS bike, and hire THAT for tests.
Meanwhile, another ponder point for you: how old is your lad?
In January next year, test rules change. You WONT get a Full A group licence testing on a 125. New stepped licence comes in, and if you are under 24, you'll have to test on a 125 for an A1 group licence, (125 Only), then hold that two years to be eligible to test for an A2 group licence (45bhp) on a 500 basically, then hold THAT two years, to test AGAIN on a 600+ for the full A.
And apart from being more expensive in test fees, bike requirements are basically going to demand DAS style courses for any-one to get a licence that way, making it even MORE expensive, and as yet, few bike schools are planning to offer courses for A2, as it would require maintaining a second fleet of A2 eligible bikes, and demand for restricted licence training, at the moment, suggests that demand isn't going to be there to make it worth while.
If your lad is 17 this year, and can step up to a 125 before January.... getting HIM through tests would be VERY beneficial.
He would have a Full A licence, and be able to ride a 33bhp bike for two years, and anything he likes after, without ANY more hassle and expense....
Dad & Lad time? Book training for the pair of you, learn together? Get licences together? Could be good bit of buddy-bonding!
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I have quickly deleted my embarrassing post and hope noone saw it
I also apologise for the two bad karmas I left by accident  |
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I just got Karma raped, too. 
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