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WULFSTAN
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: are police allowed to chase motorcycles? Reply with quote

what i mean is say am going down the road.An they try an pull me an i think to myself i cart be assed pulling over today will they come after you or just think fuck it ?
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In West Yorkshire they wont chase anyone who isn't wearing a helmet.
So ditch the lid and off you go.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes they are allowed to chase you.

And they might if you've been a very naughty boy. Neutral
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Tayside they have a no chase policy with or without helmets.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bear in mind though that it doesn't stop them rocking up at your front door 10 minutes later... Assuming it's not stolen, obviously.

But then if they reckon it's stolen you'll probably have to try to evade a helicopter too, which I guess is a bit harder.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take your mirrors off and claim you couldn't hear them due to the helmet. Which is their fault for making it law. Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodgydog wrote:
In West Yorkshire they wont chase anyone who isn't wearing a helmet. So ditch the lid and off you go.


And, most importantly, stay within the West Yorkshire borders, or you're nicked sonny Jim. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, so I wonder what theyre response is to a bike that is stolen and the criminal isnt wearing a helmet, I guess a chopper is instantly called in to monitor the situation then..
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I`ll bet you a pound-to-a-pinch-of-poo that if you try them out, they WILL chase you and if no one is looking I`ll bet they will also knock you off and tell everybody you crashed on your own!.

I`ll bet that this will happen regardless of what county you live in or what they put out in public statments about policy.

Dont let them chase you and then the only people being chased will be scumbag bike thieves who deserve to get killed
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:
I guess a chopper is instantly called in to monitor the situation then..


pepperami wrote:


Dont let them chase you and then the only people being chased will be scumbag bike thieves who deserve to get killed


Dunno about the UK. Question

But in the U.S. they would call in an Apache and chain gun you into oblivion so much that they would struggle to get a DNA sample. Laughing

The U.S. does have 'some' good points. Twisted Evil


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PostPosted: 20:31 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.

If it is deemed too dangerous to continue they will back off, not abandon chasing you. If they have a chopper available, they will let that follow you.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
If they have a chopper available, they will let that follow you.


This is worth looking at. (the video on the page)

Inteligent looking f()()ker on his mugshot aint he. Laughing



https://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/crime/s/1465858_video-off-road-biker-jailed-after-joy-ride-through-streets-of-manchester-with-three-year-old-boy-sitting-on-petrol-tank


I wonder if he passed his Module 2. ?? Wink


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PostPosted: 20:43 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick_Giles wrote:
The Artist wrote:
If they have a chopper available, they will let that follow you.


This is worth looking at. (the video on the page)

Inteligent looking f()()ker on his mugshot aint he. Laughing



https://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/crime/s/1465858_video-off-road-biker-jailed-after-joy-ride-through-streets-of-manchester-with-three-year-old-boy-sitting-on-petrol-tank


I wonder if he passed his Module 2. ?? Wink


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what a c**t, he looks more like 43 than 23.... shocker none the less..
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodgydog wrote:
In West Yorkshire they wont chase anyone who isn't wearing a helmet.
So ditch the lid and off you go.

I think that it may be national policy. It is certainly the case in Lincolnshire and also Greater Manchester:-

Police in Greater Manchester let three thieves drive away on stolen motorbikes - over fears for the safety of the riders who were not wearing helmets.

Officers were ordered not to pursue the bikes which were stolen from a showroom in Altrincham early on Thursday.

They instead watched as three people rode off on three bikes worth £17,000.

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said the national policy on the pursuit of motorbikes had been followed. Two men were later arrested.

Conservative Altrincham and Sale West MP Graham Brady criticised the decision to prevent the police from pursuing the trio, while shop owner Tony Crawford branded the policy "ridiculous".

Mr Brady said it appeared criminal safety had been put ahead of public priorities.

He said he was "very concerned" that the decision was taken centrally rather than allowing the officers to use their judgement.

"This doesn't, in my view, reflect the priorities of the public who would like to see police giving chase when they see criminals in the process of committing a crime."

Mr Crawford, who only recently set up the Manchester Motorbike Store on Woodfield Road, said: "I just think it's gone ridiculous.

"If they are going to steal these high-powered vehicles then they can literally go and do what they want with them, with the comfort that they know they're not going to get chased with whatever crimes they decide to do."
Motorbike recovered

Supt Steve Nibloe, of GMP, said: "The officers were asked not to pursue the suspects, as they were not wearing the correct safety equipment and were not wearing helmets, so it is clear to me the correct decision was taken.

"Greater Manchester Police follows a nationwide policy which gives clear guidance that motorbikes should not be pursued because of the higher risk of injury to the rider.''

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PostPosted: 21:18 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:


They instead watched as three people rode off on three bikes worth £17,000.



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There is a happy ending epilogue to this case I remember. Smile

A few weeks later one of the offenders decided to steal another bike.! ........... But on this occasion he whacked it and himself at (an estimated) 110mph into the back of a parked van.

This person has since not re offended (for anything. Wink )


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PostPosted: 21:30 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

.

They also have a totally different view of acceptable 'procedure' abroad. Laughing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCJPN_H9LcQ


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PostPosted: 21:34 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:08 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick_Giles wrote:
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They also have a totally different view of acceptable 'procedure' abroad. Laughing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCJPN_H9LcQ


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PostPosted: 22:54 - 09 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick_Giles wrote:
There is a happy ending epilogue to this case I remember. Smile

A few weeks later one of the offenders decided to steal another bike.! ........... But on this occasion he whacked it and himself at (an estimated) 110mph into the back of a parked van.

This person has since not re offended (for anything. Wink )

I remember it well and made a comment on this site at the time about the awful mess that was made when the ''shit hit the van''
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 10 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know in October 2009 Sussex Police certainly chased me. They also had the BBC Traffic Cops crew on board, it never got shown which was a bit of a pisser because it was quite fun.

Basically I had headphones on, was riding quickly went through some lights at a reasonable speed (on green), they were at the red lights in an unmarked golf.

I proceeded to go through a 30, again at a fair pace, I then got to a 40mph Dual Carriageway and proceeded to go quite quickly (over double). It was only when braking for the speed camera I spotted blue lights behind...

Not my brightest moment, as this must have been a couple of miles, they had blues and twos, sirens and a horn going off at me Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 10 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raffles wrote:


Police in Greater Manchester let three thieves drive away on stolen motorbikes - over fears for the safety of the riders who were not wearing helmets. Officers were ordered not to pursue the bikes which were stolen from a showroom in Altrincham early on Thursday.
They instead watched as three people rode off on three bikes worth £17,000.



TBH, as frustrating as it might be, this was the correct thing to do. £17,000 weighed against the risk of a potential accident isn't much. It was a non-violent theft as far as I know and I wouldn't break somebody's neck for the sake of £5000.

If the police had chased them the thieves would most likely have caned the bikes and put both themselves and the public at risk so it made more sense to wait and pick them up later and I suspect the identities of the bike thieves were already known to the police.
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 10 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to differentiate between what is considered a "Follow" and a "Pursuit"

Bikes can be followed and stopped, the cop will make one attempt to stop and if the rider fails to comply and it becomes a fail to stop then the situation changes from a follow to a pursuit.

Whether the cop continues to to follow the bike depends on a number of factors

The nature of the offenders riding

Time of day

Volume of traffic

Weather conditions

The potential threat or danger to other road users

The level of protective equipment being worn by the rider

Has PNC or ANPR flagged up any potential issues

National and individual force policy

What instructions are given by the Force control room

The availability of the Parrafin Budgie

Unfortunately much of the reluctance to pursue riders comes down to the Human Rights campaigners who argued that even though the little scrotes may have committed a serious crime, be drunk, stolen the bike or whatever, their human rights dictated that they were entitled to a level of protection Rolling Eyes

European Court of Human Rights agreed and so policies were introduced.
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 10 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
You have to differentiate between what is considered a "Follow" and a "Pursuit"

Bikes can be followed and stopped, the cop will make one attempt to stop and if the rider fails to comply and it becomes a fail to stop then the situation changes from a follow to a pursuit.

Whether the cop continues to to follow the bike depends on a number of factors

The nature of the offenders riding

Time of day

Volume of traffic

Weather conditions

The potential threat or danger to other road users

The level of protective equipment being worn by the rider

Has PNC or ANPR flagged up any potential issues

National and individual force policy

What instructions are given by the Force control room

The availability of the Parrafin Budgie

Unfortunately much of the reluctance to pursue riders comes down to the Human Rights campaigners who argued that even though the little scrotes may have committed a serious crime, be drunk, stolen the bike or whatever, their human rights dictated that they were entitled to a level of protection Rolling Eyes

European Court of Human Rights agreed and so policies were introduced.

an thats why we have to shoot them all
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 10 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blurredman wrote:
Take your mirrors off and claim you couldn't hear them due to the helmet. Which is their fault for making it law. Laughing


I know you're joking, but if someone did try that I'm sure they'd slap on a charge of 'without due care & attention' when they did trace you.
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