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guile
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Sump plug is too tight to unscrew Reply with quote

Attempted to do an oil change but found the sump plug was extremely stiff because I must have done it up too tight last time (worried about oil leaks).

I was using an adjustable wrench which slipped a couple of time and was wearing out the bolt in two places so I thought I better stop and get some advice before I ruin the whole bolt.

I don't have a socket set with a big enough head to use on the bolt. How can I get it off safely?

Maybe I should just risk it and if I ruin the bolt, I will just have to suck oil out the top when changing it.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy the correct socket before you well and truly fuck it up! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy a socket set? Adjustable spanners are a good way to ruin heads on bolts Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

the definition of an adjustable spanner is "A tool that does not fit a large variety of nut sizes".
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a socket set. Heck I'm sure someone off here will help you with that!
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
the definition of an adjustable spanner is "A tool that does not fit a large variety of nut sizes".


Or 'a tool with so much play you may as well be using pliers'
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're going to do you own servicing, and obviously this is something we would all applaud, then you need to invest in some basic tools. It really is an investment - 2 oil changes and they will have paid for themselves.

You get what you pay for, and there is some amazing stuff for the right price, but you could start with something like:

spanner set: get the combination type (open & closed ends) but get into the habit of using the closed ends whenever possible. Make sure it includes a 14mm one. For instance:
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_168910_langId_-1_categoryId_165572

socket set: 3/8" or 1/2" drive, 1/4" is too weedy for bikes. For instance:
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_525109_langId_-1_categoryId_255215

Buy other sizes as you need them. For instance you might want a 24mm spanner for the wheel nuts. Just buy these singly.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

And put a location on your profile, you never know, you might just live round the corner from someone on here who will help / lend you a socket.


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PostPosted: 20:36 - 11 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

just be sure to turn it the correct way. easily forgotten as its up-side-down.

and yeh. get a proper tool for the job ffs.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 12 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob the builder can we fix it yes we can .you.need the right tools for the job
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 12 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with an adjustable spanner if used correctly, we rely on them at work as transporting a full set around is just not always possible. you just need a bit of patience as its usually rushing which causes the damage.

That being said, on a bike in your garden or shed etc, no excuse, use the right tool Thumbs Up

numpty2 wrote:

I wouldn't recommend this type personally. I have a variety of kit but if I was starting from scratch the first sockets I would buy would be 6 sided or similar.

I.E.
Not these as they can cause just as much damage as an adjustable if not fitted properly. Even then, on a bad head they can destroy it.
https://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/tools/images/Socket-2.jpg
Look for these.
https://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/tools/images/Socket-3a.jpg

Not tried these personally, may be worth investigating
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000Y7YGWM/ref=asc_df_B000Y7YGWM7837487?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B000Y7YGWM

Could be a bargain for a pretty good set
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Draper-43648-149-Piece-Imperial-6-Point/dp/B000Y7WJ7Q
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 12 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload wrote:
Not these as they can cause just as much damage as an adjustable if not fitted properly. Even then, on a bad head they can destroy it.
https://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/tools/images/Socket-2.jpg

I've always wondered: what is the purpose of multipoint sockets? Who uses them, and for what?
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 12 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good quality adjustables are no problem, better tolerances on the worm drive prevent movement in the jaws. Best thing to do as well is keep your thumb on the adjustment wheel while holding the jaws on the head, then use the other hand to lever.

But yes, invest in a socket set to get you started!
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 12 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I've always wondered: what is the purpose of multipoint sockets? Who uses them, and for what?


No idea, but they do come in handy on a knackered bolt head, can sometimes hammer a size down onto it.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 12 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sload wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
I've always wondered: what is the purpose of multipoint sockets? Who uses them, and for what?


No idea, but they do come in handy on a knackered bolt head, can sometimes hammer a size down onto it.

Thinking Hmm, fair enough. I just use Irwins for that though.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 12 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why don't you just buy the appropriate sized single socket to fit?

They are only about £3-£4 on e-bay. Then at least you know you have it in the future.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 12 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Thinking Hmm, fair enough. I just use Irwins for that though.


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Nice, not seen them, new toy Smile

Nick 50 wrote:
Why don't you just buy the appropriate sized single socket to fit?

They are only about £3-£4 on e-bay. Then at least you know you have it in the future.


Its another option. The only risk is 'I'm guessing' he is on a quarter drive. Not hard to over torque them to destruction.

My little quarter drive is perfect for the bike, but I have had to break out the half inch a few times so far as I didn't want to wreck the ratchet.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 12 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I've always wondered: what is the purpose of multipoint sockets? Who uses them, and for what?


Makes using breaker bars easier and Facom 12 point OGV drive on the flats as well.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 13 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

I've always wondered: what is the purpose of multipoint sockets? Who uses them, and for what?

12 point bolts.
https://rughsterdesign.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/l_461_461_2AA33386-DA07-4BDF-AE98-3187BD0A7EB6.jpeg
Quite common on aircraft.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 13 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Sload wrote:
Not these as they can cause just as much damage as an adjustable if not fitted properly. Even then, on a bad head they can destroy it.
https://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/tools/images/Socket-2.jpg

I've always wondered: what is the purpose of multipoint sockets? Who uses them, and for what?


For multipoint bolts and nuts. Rolling Eyes


Or for people who are too cheap to buy inverse-torx sockets
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 13 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:

I've always wondered: what is the purpose of multipoint sockets? Who uses them, and for what?


For multipoint bolts and nuts. Rolling Eyes


Or for people who are too cheap to buy inverse-torx sockets


Also better than hex sockets if you need to bray one onto a rounded bolt
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 13 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I paid a lot for my torx bit set, I don't 'bray' them onto anything Wink


Halfords Pro stuff is usually good quality and the only thing I have broken is the 24" cracker bar, and I had a 4 foot length of scaffold tube on it at the time, I just took it back and they gave me another with no questions asked Thumbs Up


For cheap and good enough Franklin tools are pretty decent and cheap enough that if you brake something it doesn't matter too much and get a reasonable torque wrench, if you strip the threads on the sump you will be swearing. I bought a pack of 10 14mm sump washers on Ebay for something daft like £1.50, never going to re-use one again at 15P a shot.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 13 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Sload wrote:
Not these as they can cause just as much damage as an adjustable if not fitted properly. Even then, on a bad head they can destroy it.
https://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/tools/images/Socket-2.jpg

I've always wondered: what is the purpose of multipoint sockets? Who uses them, and for what?


With multipoint sockets you can run several appliances from a single 110/220v spur.

I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 13 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:
For multipoint bolts and nuts. Rolling Eyes

What are multipoint bolts and nuts?
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 14 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

timaaay wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:

I've always wondered: what is the purpose of multipoint sockets? Who uses them, and for what?

12 point bolts.
https://rughsterdesign.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/l_461_461_2AA33386-DA07-4BDF-AE98-3187BD0A7EB6.jpeg
Quite common on aircraft.


this is multipoint bolts lol
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