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naf456
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Best Sercuity Devices? Reply with quote
Hello.
I'm looking for the best type of security devices.
I'm buying a pretty rare bike, and I live near some teenagers which like hanging around in groups of 3-4. The last thing I want is to see is my bike in pieces or for it to be stolen and found a fortnight later with bent forks and a seized engine.

What is the best security devices for temporary and long term parking?
I was planning to install a ground anchor but I have no clue how hard it would be. I have also seen Disk locks and chains - again , I don't know the pros and cons and whether I should get both or not.

I was also looking into installing a cyclone alarm system - And Was wondering If It was easy to install, or If I need a garage to fit it.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
ground anchor and a big fuck off chain are the best you can get really, couple that with a bright yellow disk lock, bike cover and an alarm with a flashing LED and you're all set to go Smile
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
failing that, chain a rottweiler to it Smile
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
probably best to stab the kids.

failing that, an alarm, and a big chain or 3!
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Or chain a dog of a different breed to it:

https://snoozeulooze.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/kerry-katona.jpg
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
I recently bought a Almax chain, Squire padlock and Xena ground anchor. The chain is uncropable by hand tools, the lock is the highest cen rating and the anchor is rated to withstand 8 tons of force. Add to that alarms and they should get noticed well before they get through the chain and anchor.

Check Almax's website and think about getting a decent alarm/immobiliser installed. If the bike is really worth that much I would think about garaging it. Do you have room to put one of those small bike sheds anywhere?
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ginormous Almax, ground anchor, lock, cover, alarm, immobiliser.

Don't let the scrotes see you park it up, if at all possible.

What bike is it, out of interest? Smile
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rowey wrote:
I recently bought a Almax chain, Squire padlock and Xena ground anchor. The chain is uncropable by hand tools, the lock is the highest cen rating and the anchor is rated to withstand 8 tons of force. Add to that alarms and they should get noticed well before they get through the chain and anchor.

Check Almax's website and think about getting a decent alarm/immobiliser installed. If the bike is really worth that much I would think about garaging it. Do you have room to put one of those small bike sheds anywhere?


I always wondered, what happens if they drill the bolts of the anchor? are they impregnable too?
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bubbs wrote:
Rowey wrote:
I recently bought a Almax chain, Squire padlock and Xena ground anchor. The chain is uncropable by hand tools, the lock is the highest cen rating and the anchor is rated to withstand 8 tons of force. Add to that alarms and they should get noticed well before they get through the chain and anchor.

Check Almax's website and think about getting a decent alarm/immobiliser installed. If the bike is really worth that much I would think about garaging it. Do you have room to put one of those small bike sheds anywhere?


I always wondered, what happens if they drill the bolts of the anchor? are they impregnable too?


I welded a D shackle into some rebar into some concrete. No bolts required.

Edit: forgot to add I was upside down, 300ft in the air with no mask or safety harness.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Slacker24seven wrote:
Rowey wrote:
I recently bought a Almax chain, Squire padlock and Xena ground anchor. The chain is uncropable by hand tools, the lock is the highest cen rating and the anchor is rated to withstand 8 tons of force. Add to that alarms and they should get noticed well before they get through the chain and anchor.

Check Almax's website and think about getting a decent alarm/immobiliser installed. If the bike is really worth that much I would think about garaging it. Do you have room to put one of those small bike sheds anywhere?



I welded a D shackle into some rebar into some concrete. No bolts required.

Edit: forgot to add I was upside down, 300ft in the air with no mask or safety harness.


Ingenious!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Best Sercuity Devices? Reply with quote
naf456 wrote:
I was also looking into installing a cyclone alarm system - And Was wondering If It was easy to install, or If I need a garage to fit it.


Very easy to install, even for a mechanical and electrical novice like me. Though, some understanding of wiring diagrams would not go a miss if you get stuck. Not something I'd be putting on a rare bike though; it can be beaten by simply removing the fuse.
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PostPosted: 07:05 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Funnily enough I found these chaps last night:

https://www.motorbikealarm.co.uk/

Does anyone have any experience with their kit? Seems pretty good.
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yep - Cyclone C11.
I hear people like them on YouTube.
I don't quite get the fuse thing , J.M.
I thought the fuses where underneath the seat? - which is immobilized so no one can touch it? , but hey, trust me when I say I'm no motorcycle mechanic.

The Bike isn't all that valuable - just rare - it being a RS DX 1980's
Yeah - ground anchors sound good. sounds like fun, drilling into 50 year old concrete.
The Bike is fairly old - and I believe the Cyclone C11 instructions give a requirement out for electronic start - which I don't have. I don't know if it would be a problem yet. But I'm still looking into it.
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
Funnily enough I found these chaps last night:

https://www.motorbikealarm.co.uk/

Does anyone have any experience with their kit? Seems pretty good.


I have the cyclone V2. Quite a loud alarm and a nice blue flashy led that's under my screen. Can wire in a remote start (if you're stupid). It puts me at ease when I park in some parts of Leeds. Disk lock and a loud noise if some scrote touches it. can always hear it from in the house!
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Or just build like a mini shed/driveway thingo (the name escapes me) so that they cant get into it. And if they managed to it would probably make a lot of noise, you or neighbours would be able to notice all the commotion.

If course, this wouldnt be useful if you were taking your bike to some place other then your own Neutral In that case, do all the things everyone else suggested. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
Funnily enough I found these chaps last night:

https://www.motorbikealarm.co.uk/

Does anyone have any experience with their kit? Seems pretty good.


It is for a £20 alarm but if your average bike thief doesn't disable it in under 2 seconds they deserve being caught. The big weak point is the remote siren.

With alarms the best ones are the ones that are fitted to thatcham standard, note thats fitted to not tested to. I've seen some extraordinarily badly fitted approved alarms in the past.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rowey wrote:
I recently bought a Almax chain, Squire padlock and Xena ground anchor. The chain is uncropable by hand tools, the lock is the highest cen rating and the anchor is rated to withstand 8 tons of force. Add to that alarms and they should get noticed well before they get through the chain and anchor.

Check Almax's website and think about getting a decent alarm/immobiliser installed. If the bike is really worth that much I would think about garaging it. Do you have room to put one of those small bike sheds anywhere?


and which chain stops a battery powered grinder when you pop to shops or somewhere.
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It is for a £20 alarm but if your average bike thief doesn't disable it in under 2 seconds they deserve being caught. The big weak point is the remote siren.

With alarms the best ones are the ones that are fitted to thatcham standard, note thats fitted to not tested to. I've seen some extraordinarily badly fitted approved alarms in the past.


No alarm is going to stop 'professional' scum, the kind who pick the bike up bodily and throw it into a van with the alarm shrieking while passers-by think "Council, removing illegally-parked bike". All I want one to do is make enough noise while I'm within earshot away from home. At home I have a locked brick coach-house at the back of the main house with its own alarm.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
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No alarm is going to stop 'professional' scum,


I said average, I also should have added below average.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
sickpup wrote:


It is for a £20 alarm but if your average bike thief doesn't disable it in under 2 seconds they deserve being caught. The big weak point is the remote siren.

With alarms the best ones are the ones that are fitted to thatcham standard, note thats fitted to not tested to. I've seen some extraordinarily badly fitted approved alarms in the past.


No alarm is going to stop 'professional' scum, the kind who pick the bike up bodily and throw it into a van with the alarm shrieking while passers-by think "Council, removing illegally-parked bike". All I want one to do is make enough noise while I'm within earshot away from home. At home I have a locked brick coach-house at the back of the main house with its own alarm.



You might as well just get a good alarmed disc lock, I,ve had far too many problems with datatool and Cyclone alarms in the past were i,ve had to bypass them at the side of the road and immobilizers are pointless if its going to be chucked in a van.

A GPS/GPRS tracker well hidden on the bike connected to the bikes battery with its own backup internal battery would be a good bit of kit if the bike was taken by theifs when l was last looking at ones around the £50-100 mark they can give a location within a few meters and track the movements which can all been viewed on-line so even the bike goes into a building where the sginal is lost you have a recored of its last postion.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
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No alarm is going to stop 'professional' scum,


I said average, I also should have added below average.


Laughing

I see no reason though why that remote siren couldn't be mounted under a seat or behind a panel where it can't be got at easily. The way I see it is it's either an idiot/chancer who'll set it off and run or 'professionals' who'll care less and lob it in the van. I'm sure there are those who are able to disable an alarm before taking a bike but I reckon they're a very small minority.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
sickpup wrote:
I said average, I also should have added below average.
...that remote siren couldn't be mounted under a seat or behind a panel where it can't be got at easily. ...

Reminds me I must get a lock fitted to the seat Very Happy
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A GPS/GPRS tracker well hidden on the bike connected to the bikes battery with its own backup internal battery would be a good bit of kit if the bike was taken by theifs when l was last looking at ones around the £50-100 mark they can give a location within a few meters and track the movements which can all been viewed on-line so even the bike goes into a building where the sginal is lost you have a recored of its last postion.


The Cyclone has a "bike location function" according to their blurb. No idea exactly what that means though.
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The Cyclone has a "bike location function" according to their blurb. No idea exactly what that means though.

If you can see a flashing red light, that's where your bike is. If not, it's gone.
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I see no reason though why that remote siren couldn't be mounted under a seat or behind a panel where it can't be got at easily.


It's only slightly smaller than a tennis ball so can be a problem.
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