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Most insurers do not even recognise advanced qualifications these days, unless you come across an insurer with whom the IAM has negotiated a special deal based on numbers rather than being a better risk.
As an examiner, Police class 1 car and bike, advanced instuctor and, and, and I used to get massive discounts, but now the premiums are based soley on my age and my accumulated no claims discount.
When asked about advanced qualification discounts, 99% of them say that it is no longer worth their while.
I was shopping around for insurance a few years ago when discounts were offered, and I had one sales person who was adamant that the IAM pass was a higher qualification than my Police class 1.
So when I asked the person why was it then that to be an examiner the person had to hold a police class 1 qualification, the sales person thought I was taking the piss and said they would have to go and check with their supervisor
The apology I got when they returned the phone call was amusing to say the least and they offered me a further 10% on top of the discount they had already offered.
Shame that their policies were about 30% more expensive than the quotes I had already had without any discount for qualifications. ____________________ It is better to arrive 30 seconds late in this world, than 30 years early in the next |
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| T.C wrote: | Most insurers do not even recognise advanced qualifications these days, unless you come across an insurer with whom the IAM has negotiated a special deal based on numbers rather than being a better risk.
As an examiner, Police class 1 car and bike, advanced instuctor and, and, and I used to get massive discounts, but now the premiums are based soley on my age and my accumulated no claims discount.
When asked about advanced qualification discounts, 99% of them say that it is no longer worth their while.
I was shopping around for insurance a few years ago when discounts were offered, and I had one sales person who was adamant that the IAM pass was a higher qualification than my Police class 1.
So when I asked the person why was it then that to be an examiner the person had to hold a police class 1 qualification, the sales person thought I was taking the piss and said they would have to go and check with their supervisor
The apology I got when they returned the phone call was amusing to say the least and they offered me a further 10% on top of the discount they had already offered.
Shame that their policies were about 30% more expensive than the quotes I had already had without any discount for qualifications. |
Hi T.C - Who's your insurance with and (if it's not too cheeky question) How much do you pay a year. What bikes have you got these days, still a Pan and a Blackbird? |
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Are you looking to get anything to replace the Pan, R1250RT ? Wouldn't mind one (or a Pan) to replace my old triumph Sprint.
200 quid for a nice car and quick bike, Least something to help get over the incontinence... /me runs. (Jealous)
If you weren't ex police e.t.c, what do you think you'd do as far as advanced bike training, Obviously bang for buck the police bike safe/ridesafe scheme has to be considered, But as far as ROSPA/IAM?
The thing that gets me with IAM is that you only do it once and it lasts for the rest of your life, Which kind of seems a bit poor to me as how much are you likely to forget in 3 years (assuming you aren't riding every day?) But then again the chances of me redoing ROSPA every 3 years is highly unlikely. |
I am just a one bike owner these days as I don't get to do the mileage I used to do and so it would be pointless really.
I have issues with Bikesafe in some respects. I admire the principal behind what they are trying to achieve, the problem is that in many cases, some forces are using Bikesafe Instructors who are no better qualified than someone who has a RoSPA or IAM qualification, mainly because many forces no longer run the full class 1 course, there are some Police Bikesafe riders who are openly encouraging excess speed, and before long I can see someone coming a cropper, and many people view Bikesafe as a full and proper advanced Police riding course, which of course it isn't, it is simply an introduction to the principals of advanced riding with a view to encouraging riders to take further training and sign up with their local groups.
As far as course or groups?
Well I am biased being a RoSPA examiner, but I also did my time as an IAM examiner as well.
Like you say, at the moment, the IAM is a one off test, and at the age of 95, providing you pay your subscriptions, you can still continue to call yourself an advanced rider or driver.
There is also nothing that differentiates between the rider who has worked their butt off and those who have just scraped through, although in fairness there are a lot of very good IAM qualified riders.
At least with RoSPA, given that the ride is graded, you at least know where you are in the grand scheme of things.
Bronze is still a good ride even though it is the lowest pass mark, but clearly room for improvement.
Silver is almost but not quite there but a very high level has been attained
Gold is the ultimate civillian riding qualification, and it has been said in many quarters that someone who attains gold, should with minimal work attain a Police class 1 quite easily, and it has even been suggested that the gold is the equal of the Police class 2.
Whether you choose to retest every 3 years or not is irrelevant really, there are badge collectors out there, but it is knowing in your own mind that you have attained a standard that you are happy with and that enhances your enjoyment and safety.
The last issue is that whilst both RoSPA and the IAM by and large sing from the same hymn sheet, the RoSPA test is far more comprehensive and riders are tested in more depth by comparison to the IAM, probably because the IAM have to cater for larger numbers, but then you could also just look for a local group to join where you enhance your skills without taking the/a test or look for a local instructor who will give you tuition on a 1-1 basis, probviding of course they have the right qualifications and credibility.
So long answer short, RoSPA for me every time. ____________________ It is better to arrive 30 seconds late in this world, than 30 years early in the next |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 272 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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