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PostPosted: 21:23 - 16 May 2012    Post subject: IAM's for car discount Reply with quote

I'm planning on doing my IAM's for the bike this summer after doing BikeSafe a few days ago. From what I can gather, the bike and car IAM's are pretty much the same so after doing the IAM's on the bike I'm planning on doing it for the car, mainly for the insurance discount. I'm 19 and have been driving since I was 17 but with no NCB so insurance is crazy high, so I'm doing the IAM's mainly for the discount, but would it make that much of a difference? I've tried doing insurance quotes but unlike on the bike insurance websites, they don't ask if you have done any advanced training courses so I don't know how much discount IAM's would actually give or whether it would just be a waste of time.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 16 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

First things first. If you intend on going through IAM Surety you have no chance. I passed my IAM course at 19/20 and was told by IAM Surety you have to be 21 to use them.

Secondly you wont get massive discount on insurance. Mine has ben around the £50 mark (I'm 23 3 years NCB driving after some twat rear ended me, 5 years driving and 3 on the bike).

Ideally you should be looking to do it to improve your road craft. If you've mentioned this in your first post I apologise for missing it but I skimmed it rather than read it in detail as I'm trying to revise at the same time.

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PostPosted: 22:29 - 16 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

james1988 wrote:
First things first. If you intend on going through IAM Surety you have no chance. I passed my IAM course at 19/20 and was told by IAM Surety you have to be 21 to use them.

Secondly you wont get massive discount on insurance. Mine has ben around the £50 mark (I'm 23 3 years NCB driving after some twat rear ended me, 5 years driving and 3 on the bike).

Ideally you should be looking to do it to improve your road craft. If you've mentioned this in your first post I apologise for missing it but I skimmed it rather than read it in detail as I'm trying to revise at the same time.

James


Cheers for that. I'm doing the bike IAM's for the safety element, but I'm planning on doing it in the car purely for the discount. I don't see the point in paying out the extra money on doing the car IAM's when it's pretty much exactly the same as the bike one.
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PostPosted: 05:36 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I joined IAM when I was 20, at that time I was saving £200-£300 a year on my premiums. It amounted at that time to a good 20-30% off. Even though you aren't eligible for IAM Surety until you're 21, a lot of companies still recognise the IAM qualification, particularly the Admiral group.

I'm now with IAM Surety and they are fantastic, so as soon as you're 21 get a quote off them. They will always beat everyone else's premium, and you get free protected no claims and reduced admin fees. I also get free business and free cover for being an IAM observer.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most insurers do not even recognise advanced qualifications these days, unless you come across an insurer with whom the IAM has negotiated a special deal based on numbers rather than being a better risk.

As an examiner, Police class 1 car and bike, advanced instuctor and, and, and I used to get massive discounts, but now the premiums are based soley on my age and my accumulated no claims discount.

When asked about advanced qualification discounts, 99% of them say that it is no longer worth their while.

I was shopping around for insurance a few years ago when discounts were offered, and I had one sales person who was adamant that the IAM pass was a higher qualification than my Police class 1.

So when I asked the person why was it then that to be an examiner the person had to hold a police class 1 qualification, the sales person thought I was taking the piss and said they would have to go and check with their supervisor Very Happy

The apology I got when they returned the phone call was amusing to say the least and they offered me a further 10% on top of the discount they had already offered.

Shame that their policies were about 30% more expensive than the quotes I had already had without any discount for qualifications.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
Most insurers do not even recognise advanced qualifications these days, unless you come across an insurer with whom the IAM has negotiated a special deal based on numbers rather than being a better risk.

As an examiner, Police class 1 car and bike, advanced instuctor and, and, and I used to get massive discounts, but now the premiums are based soley on my age and my accumulated no claims discount.

When asked about advanced qualification discounts, 99% of them say that it is no longer worth their while.

I was shopping around for insurance a few years ago when discounts were offered, and I had one sales person who was adamant that the IAM pass was a higher qualification than my Police class 1.

So when I asked the person why was it then that to be an examiner the person had to hold a police class 1 qualification, the sales person thought I was taking the piss and said they would have to go and check with their supervisor Very Happy

The apology I got when they returned the phone call was amusing to say the least and they offered me a further 10% on top of the discount they had already offered.

Shame that their policies were about 30% more expensive than the quotes I had already had without any discount for qualifications.


Hi T.C - Who's your insurance with and (if it's not too cheeky question) How much do you pay a year. What bikes have you got these days, still a Pan and a Blackbird?
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi T.C - Who's your insurance with and (if it's not too cheeky question) How much do you pay a year. What bikes have you got these days, still a Pan and a Blackbird?


Pan went a long time ago Embarassed

On my 4th Blackbird. Insurance is with Direct Line, currently pay £80 a year fully comp

Car is 09 Jag X-Type (which I have had from new) and with business use included I pay £120 fully comp, thats with Churchill

So both vehicles £200 for the pair which I don't think is too bad.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 17 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
djr wrote:


Hi T.C - Who's your insurance with and (if it's not too cheeky question) How much do you pay a year. What bikes have you got these days, still a Pan and a Blackbird?


Pan went a long time ago Embarassed

On my 4th Blackbird. Insurance is with Direct Line, currently pay £80 a year fully comp

Car is 09 Jag X-Type (which I have had from new) and with business use included I pay £120 fully comp, thats with Churchill

So both vehicles £200 for the pair which I don't think is too bad.


Are you looking to get anything to replace the Pan, R1250RT ? Wouldn't mind one (or a Pan) to replace my old triumph Sprint.
200 quid for a nice car and quick bike, Least something to help get over the incontinence... /me runs. (Jealous)

If you weren't ex police e.t.c, what do you think you'd do as far as advanced bike training, Obviously bang for buck the police bike safe/ridesafe scheme has to be considered, But as far as ROSPA/IAM?

The thing that gets me with IAM is that you only do it once and it lasts for the rest of your life, Which kind of seems a bit poor to me as how much are you likely to forget in 3 years (assuming you aren't riding every day?) But then again the chances of me redoing ROSPA every 3 years is highly unlikely.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 18 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you looking to get anything to replace the Pan, R1250RT ? Wouldn't mind one (or a Pan) to replace my old triumph Sprint.
200 quid for a nice car and quick bike, Least something to help get over the incontinence... /me runs. (Jealous)

If you weren't ex police e.t.c, what do you think you'd do as far as advanced bike training, Obviously bang for buck the police bike safe/ridesafe scheme has to be considered, But as far as ROSPA/IAM?

The thing that gets me with IAM is that you only do it once and it lasts for the rest of your life, Which kind of seems a bit poor to me as how much are you likely to forget in 3 years (assuming you aren't riding every day?) But then again the chances of me redoing ROSPA every 3 years is highly unlikely.


I am just a one bike owner these days as I don't get to do the mileage I used to do and so it would be pointless really.

I have issues with Bikesafe in some respects. I admire the principal behind what they are trying to achieve, the problem is that in many cases, some forces are using Bikesafe Instructors who are no better qualified than someone who has a RoSPA or IAM qualification, mainly because many forces no longer run the full class 1 course, there are some Police Bikesafe riders who are openly encouraging excess speed, and before long I can see someone coming a cropper, and many people view Bikesafe as a full and proper advanced Police riding course, which of course it isn't, it is simply an introduction to the principals of advanced riding with a view to encouraging riders to take further training and sign up with their local groups.

As far as course or groups?

Well I am biased being a RoSPA examiner, but I also did my time as an IAM examiner as well.

Like you say, at the moment, the IAM is a one off test, and at the age of 95, providing you pay your subscriptions, you can still continue to call yourself an advanced rider or driver.

There is also nothing that differentiates between the rider who has worked their butt off and those who have just scraped through, although in fairness there are a lot of very good IAM qualified riders.

At least with RoSPA, given that the ride is graded, you at least know where you are in the grand scheme of things.

Bronze is still a good ride even though it is the lowest pass mark, but clearly room for improvement.

Silver is almost but not quite there but a very high level has been attained

Gold is the ultimate civillian riding qualification, and it has been said in many quarters that someone who attains gold, should with minimal work attain a Police class 1 quite easily, and it has even been suggested that the gold is the equal of the Police class 2.

Whether you choose to retest every 3 years or not is irrelevant really, there are badge collectors out there, but it is knowing in your own mind that you have attained a standard that you are happy with and that enhances your enjoyment and safety.

The last issue is that whilst both RoSPA and the IAM by and large sing from the same hymn sheet, the RoSPA test is far more comprehensive and riders are tested in more depth by comparison to the IAM, probably because the IAM have to cater for larger numbers, but then you could also just look for a local group to join where you enhance your skills without taking the/a test or look for a local instructor who will give you tuition on a 1-1 basis, probviding of course they have the right qualifications and credibility.

So long answer short, RoSPA for me every time.
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