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ScaredyCat
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Perfectly Sane or Massively Unrealistic? Reply with quote

I'm just starting out on my journey, learning to ride. I did ride about 30 miles a day for about a year, but that was 25 years ago. Now I'm older I thought I'd actually go the whole hog and take my test.

Since I'm older I'll be going the DAS route. I'm sure my driving experience is going to help my confidence a bit, since I know what signs mean, where I should be when using roundabouts etc. I know there's bike specific stuff to learn, I'm watching a lot of youtube videos etc just to get some pointers.

The DAS course I'm looking at is run by CamRider - a couple of friends used them and gave them the thumbs up, but as I understand it they are a franchise so I'm unsure. The course takes place over a series of sessions from CBT through using a 500cc bike the last 2 sessions culminate in module 1 and then module 2 (although I understand they deliberately push the last session further (8 days?) into the future just in case you have module 1 issues.

Anyway, that's the background... here's the question

I really do not like 'sport bikes' they hold no interest for me at all, if I wanted to ride one that looked like that I'd take up racing - can you tell I'm older? Wink I appreciate others may have a different view Smile

I am however quite keen on cruisers I like the look of the Yamaha XVS950 (apart from the plastic chrome) and also the Triumph Speedmaster - I like the bigger seat and the lowered seating position on these - however, looking at these two bikes, they both have engines above 500cc (950cc and 865cc) - I know after I pass my test I can ride anything of any size - but is it sane.

From what I understand of cruisers they tend to be slower and heavier and that's why they need a bigger engine. ie engine size increase isn't going to result in speed and acceleration increases.

Is this right?

Does it make sense to do this?


Opinions appreciated...


Andy
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Andy, welcome to the forum.

Cruisers tend to have a larger cc for the same return. So, no you're not insane to be considering a higher cc than 500. One thing to be aware of though, is that they are a completely different beast than what you'll learn on, especially cornering. Like you, I'm what you could call an older biker, and whilst I appreciate the newer bikes, I tend to graviate to older 80s & 90s machines. I currently ride a 1984 Honda VT500; I found it a good compromise as I didn't fancy a sport, or a cruiser.
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cruisers 'cruise' I guess.

You have a big engine, lots of torque and low revs at 80 mph.

Can't corner worth a damn so watch out for roundabouts, but that is just the nature of the beast.

1000cc is not overly "big" after a test on one of these monsters really. It's all about Power delivery and they deliver it fine, in a nice sedate manner.
You ever see many Cruisers whee-lying down the High Street? No, there ya go Very Happy

Damn heavy though and not my cuppa tea (can ya tell) Just make sure you get your chaps and tassels and all will be good! Wink
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if a Hyosung GV650 might be of interest to you? Its A Korean built bike with a low seat position, hybrid cruiser/dragster looks and a punchy 80bhp from the 650 V-Twin. All for just £5000 Bit of a bargain I reckon Smile
https://www.hyosung.co.uk/detail.php?id=20#
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Perfectly Sane or Massively Unrealistic? Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
I really do not like 'sport bikes' they hold no interest for me at all, if I wanted to ride one that looked like that I'd take up racing - can you tell I'm older? Wink I appreciate others may have a different view Smile


Keep in mind that not all 'sport bikes' are equal.

Here is a Suzuki Bandit, a 'sport standard' motorcycle:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Suzuki_Bandit_650SK7.jpg

Now, here is a Yamaha R6, a 'super sport' motorcycle:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Yamaha_YZF_R6_2006_red.jpg

And then there are 'standard' bikes like the Suzuki GS500:

https://p1.bikepics.com/2012%5C04%5C08%5Cbikepics-2380237-800.jpg

I wouldn't rule out 'sport bikes' based on looking at top of the line racing machines, there's a lot out there to look at. I can't really see myself on an R6 any time soon.

When it comes to engine size: power to weight ratio is probably the easiest figure to look at when it comes to cruisers.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Efes123 wrote:
Hi Andy, welcome to the forum.

Cruisers tend to have a larger cc for the same return. So, no you're not insane to be considering a higher cc than 500. One thing to be aware of though, is that they are a completely different beast than what you'll learn on, especially cornering. Like you, I'm what you could call an older biker, and whilst I appreciate the newer bikes, I tend to graviate to older 80s & 90s machines. I currently ride a 1984 Honda VT500; I found it a good compromise as I didn't fancy a sport, or a cruiser.


Thanks .. Glad to know I'm not just being daft

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PostPosted: 17:31 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex_B wrote:
Cruisers 'cruise' I guess.

You have a big engine, lots of torque and low revs at 80 mph.

Can't corner worth a damn so watch out for roundabouts, but that is just the nature of the beast.


That was my only real concern, I'm looking at my current route to work, which I'd probably need to modify slightly as the last part is a bit twisty and narrow.


Alex_B wrote:

1000cc is not overly "big" after a test on one of these monsters really. It's all about Power delivery and they deliver it fine, in a nice sedate manner.
You ever see many Cruisers whee-lying down the High Street? No, there ya go Very Happy


Well that's what I'm after really...

Alex_B wrote:

Damn heavy though and not my cuppa tea (can ya tell) Just make sure you get your chaps and tassels and all will be good! Wink


I've begun the moustache growing process too Laughing

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PostPosted: 17:38 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Perfectly Sane or Massively Unrealistic? Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
ScaredyCat wrote:
I really do not like 'sport bikes' they hold no interest for me at all, if I wanted to ride one that looked like that I'd take up racing - can you tell I'm older? Wink I appreciate others may have a different view Smile


Keep in mind that not all 'sport bikes' are equal.

Here is a Suzuki Bandit, a 'sport standard' motorcycle:



Ok, I see your point. Even I'm wrong.. to my mind all of those bikes with the the exception of the Suzuki at the bottom would fall into the category of 'style of bike I don't like the look of' - perhaps it's the 'old fart' in me who's sick of hearing 125's screaming down the road, all of them seem to look like those. I will try ad be more flexible though - perhaps I'm just after something a bit retro...


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When it comes to engine size: power to weight ratio is probably the easiest figure to look at when it comes to cruisers.


Good to know..

Thanks


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PostPosted: 17:39 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:

That was my only real concern, I'm looking at my current route to work, which I'd probably need to modify slightly as the last part is a bit twisty and narrow.

It really is not that bad. No, it will not handle as well as a naked or sports bike. But you won't have to detour to avoid roundabout and twisty roads just because you have a cruiser. This forum does like to exaggerate a bit.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Perfectly Sane or Massively Unrealistic? Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Ok, I see your point. Even I'm wrong.. to my mind all of those bikes with the the exception of the Suzuki at the bottom would fall into the category of 'style of bike I don't like the look of' - perhaps it's the 'old fart' in me who's sick of hearing 125's screaming down the road, all of them seem to look like those. I will try ad be more flexible though - perhaps I'm just after something a bit retro...


Oh sure, not trying to convince you either way. Just thought it might be useful to see a bit of what's out there, not every sport bike is a race rep like the R6.

I'm probably going to be getting something similar to the GS500 in the near future, it looks like a big boy version of my CG. Smile
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 20 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

blito wrote:
I wonder if a Hyosung GV650 might be of interest to you? Its A Korean built bike with a low seat position, hybrid cruiser/dragster looks and a punchy 80bhp from the 650 V-Twin. All for just £5000 Bit of a bargain I reckon Smile
https://www.hyosung.co.uk/detail.php?id=20#


If I'm honest I looked at them and then said "who the f^&* are they?" and stopped looking. I have just taken another look though, I see they just have a GV700 that seems to be a new model. I was somehwhat confused since I immediately thought they must be stopping the GV650 - or are there more significant differences?

I also had a problem finding a dealer near me. Went to 50 miles, found 2 and looked at their websites - neither even mentioned Hyosung :/

I have time, I don;t intent to rush into this but it'd be nice to get to actually see one in the flesh.

Pricing is very agreeable Very Happy

Not sure I like the digital display.

Thanks

Andy


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PostPosted: 13:40 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Cruiser or Sportsbike? Reply with quote

I could never decide between a cruiser or a sportsbike either..........so I got one of these Laughing

https://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t379/john201144/ASIDSC01318.jpg
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Cruiser or Sportsbike? Reply with quote

toby1 wrote:
I could never decide between a cruiser or a sportsbike either..........so I got one of these Laughing

https://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t379/john201144/ASIDSC01318.jpg


Don't want to sound too dumb.. (too late Wink ) but.. what is it?

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PostPosted: 15:19 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Cruiser or Sportsbike? Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
toby1 wrote:
I could never decide between a cruiser or a sportsbike either..........so I got one of these Laughing

https://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t379/john201144/ASIDSC01318.jpg


Don't want to sound too dumb.. (too late Wink ) but.. what is it?

Andy

Looks Yamaha V-Max to me.
Heard they're ok in a straight line not too hot in corners (that was from a guy who rode one). Despite that the owner loved it.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get round the dealerships and have a look at a few bikes in the flesh
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Get round the dealerships and have a look at a few bikes in the flesh


This, best way to figuring out what you like/don't like is to get out and see them up close, keep an open mind and something might take your fancy that you hadn't considered. I'll be looking to get my full license within the next few months so I'll be doing the rounds looking at different bikes (good excuse if ever one was needed) Wink A chap I know has recently brought a Honda Shadow & loves it, it fits in with the type of bike you're looking at so might be worth finding one locally to have a look at.

Best of luck gent, let us know what you go for.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are always mistaken for the Vmax.

It's a Yamaha MT-01 1700cc of V twin with a R1 racing frame. loves twistys and cruisers in comfort.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

toby1 wrote:
These are always mistaken for the Vmax.

It's a Yamaha MT-01 1700cc of V twin with a R1 racing frame...

My apologies. I guess head on the headlight would have been a bit of a give away.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 26 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went to a local bike shop today and had a look at what was available. The owner was a nice bloke and so was the customer who was in there too.

The customer, clearly a friend or the owner, let me sit on his Triumph Speedmaster (no not a euphamism Laughing ) Totally fell in love with it. Wider in the saddle than I expected but not as low as I was worried about.

There was also a Triumph Bonneville T100 and a couple of Kawasaki W650 A-1's there too.

They told me that 2up on a cruiser wasn't so much fun in the UK with the roads being too twisty to really enjoy it.

Nice to finally get some scale on the size of bikes too.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 26 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triumph Speedmaster tried to kill me week before last!

Actually all my fault really, grabbed the very powerful front brakes on a gravelly, muddy corner.

Very nice bike, seems tough, side stand is miles away as are the foot controls. Seat is extremely comfortable.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 27 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex_B wrote:
Cruisers 'cruise' I guess.

You have a big engine, lots of torque and low revs at 80 mph.

Can't corner worth a damn so watch out for roundabouts, but that is just the nature of the beast.



I have a cruiser and get around roundabouts just fine Confused
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 27 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scaredycat - have you considered the retro bike route rather than a cruiser ?

Triumph Bonneville / Thruxton, Moto Guzzi V7, or the Jap equivalent - is it Kawasaki W650 ?

Naked bike, retro looks, as comfortable as a cruiser and will handle much better.

My Bonneville is a 865cc engine, pulls and accelerates well, does around 48 mpg.

It's also low enough for a short arse like me, has a comfortable seat, plenty of dealer support and easy to work on. Plenty of scope for customising to your own preferences as well.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 27 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sherwood Bambi wrote:
Triumph Bonneville / Thruxton, Moto Guzzi V7, or the Jap equivalent - is it Kawasaki W650 ?


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