going from 125 to r6

[stranger12]

hi all,

i passed my exam on a A2 restricted and i guess i either have to wait 2 years or take das to be able to get something like r1 or r6

i have ridden before and in the past few month i have practice my control and balance so want to move on to a bigger bike

at the moment here is my situation
1. have a brand new 125 ( not very good build quality)
2. have passed my A2 few days ago
3. my insurance costs £600


where i want to be

1. buy R1 which costs around 3k

2. have a restrictor fitted or take das( first one most likely, see below)
3. insurance 1.5k

the das is going to be expensive as i have to get instructor and their bike and ... so around £400 but if i buy my own bike and have restrictor fitted then i think that may be better.

how much does restrictor impacts the performance ? if it is a r6 which i think does 0-60 in 3 or less and top speed of 170 or so , what will it be like with restrictor?

would the 0-60 be around 4ish? and would it rev all the way ?>

as you can see above has a huge cost raise plus the fact that i loose around 500 pound selling my brand new bike which has done 1k

so my i think that i should wait another year or two which reduces my insurance to around £700 and also my bike is 1/2 year old so at least i have used it abit thus worthing the price depression

what do you guys suggest and would do if you were me ?

thanks

[JoeDougieDoug...]

Can't you do 'AA' (Accelerated Access) or something to remove the restriction so long as you are over the age of 21? No idea how much it costs though.
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[Derivative]

I'll refrain from commenting on the bike choice because I don't have that much experience, I'm sure Tef and others will be on in a bit to lecture you.

But to be honest, I don't see the point in restricting an R6. Restricting an R1 would just be ludicrous, you'll be paying out of your arse for insurance, IF you can even get a policy.

My advice - get something reasonable like a 500/600 twin and restrict it, or find something older that doesn't need a restrictor fitting. It will be far cheaper in almost every way imaginable and give similar performance, the point of a restriction is that you get 33bhp and that's that.

Then think about riding a supersports machine when you've actually tried something that can do NSL.

[P.addy]

I would love to see how shit a 33hp R1 would be. Heavy and choked to death sounds like a superb ride.

33hp is enough to see around 90-100, perhaps 110 on the speedo of most bikes.

It will be a bag of weeds though, ridden a GSXR750WN with 33hp kit in it. DAMN thing was dangerous for overtakes Where as back on my FP GSXR 6th gear creamed any overtake with ease.

I'd say Thundercat/Hornet/CBR600F at 33hp would be smarter

[stranger12]

thanks

i will look at the accelerated course

the reason i want to go for r6 is because i don't want to keep swapping bike and loose money and ....

i want to get something and use it for couple of years

what do you guys normally pay for r6 or r1 insurance if anyone owns one ?

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[Slacker24seve...]

Restricting a sportsbike is stupid. You don't want to keep swapping bikes, firstly dropping it would be disastrous compared to a 500/600 naked and secondly you will literally lose a grand in insurance. My Hornet cost me less than £300 to insure when I bought it at 22, no NCB.

Have you really got £1200 to piss away? Put that in your 'second bike' fund and reinvest it on a brand new one in a couple of years time.

Stop being so short sighted and buying the bike you think will get you laid and think of the bigger picture.
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[stranger12]

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[HJM]

listen to these guys, there very experienced unlike yourself! If you want the "sporty" look go for a GPZ500 or a GS500f, these bikes take the restriction much better then a r6.

...And The whole deal with "swapping" bikes, If you get a good deal on a second hand bike, keep it in good condition then you will be able to sell it for pretty much what you pay for it.


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[Rogerborg]

You're the guy who just blew through a clearly signed speed camera on a long, straight road, right?

And now you're thinking about getting a 185mph bike and asking about 0-60 times? You know that bike will accelerate from 100mph faster than your Sym will accelerate from 0, right?

I... just... there's...

Heck, do it. Be a man. Don't listen to anyone else here, they have no idea how amazing a rider you are in your head. Do it now. Just go ahead and borrow as much as you need to and get any bike that you like: I honestly don't see making the repayments as being a problem for you.
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[P.addy]

Biting myself in the arse here but I've not dropped a sports bike thourgh idiocy yet.

Total freak tyre valve accident, yes.

Insurance for me on a 600 sports is around a grand currently.
Insurance on a 1000 V twin sports (TL1000R) is around £400.
100 IL4 (GSXR1000 K6) is looking to be around £850.

[_Troy_]

Just get an R1, all your mates will love it and women will go weak at the knees just seeing you ride past.

Actually, they won't. People will look at you on it and assume you're a 50 year old riding his mid-life crisis. It will also cost you an obscene amount of money to own/run/insure, and you'll likely kill yourself.

I'm 24, have been riding a year, and currently ride a full power ninja - so around 106bhp. It's insanely fast, and i mean that. I can break almost any speed limit in first gear, and lose my license in second. It will wheelie by itself, and i think looks awesome.

But, i had a 500 twin before this. It had around 45bhp (?) and was also insanely fast. Compared to my 125 it was a rocket, seriously. I'd be able to pull away and accelerate faster than everything but other bikes, and it even looked/sounded good if you ask me.

My insurance, in case you care, is just over £500 i think. I have 0 NCB on this policy, and have 6 years of car driving under my belt. I also live in a nasty area and have TPFT.

Now onto your restriction. Restricting an R1 is laughable. If i met someone at a bike meet/ride out and they said their R1 was restricted i'd literally laugh that my MUCH cheaper bike was likely a lot faster and more capable than theirs. Hell i bet a restricted V-Twin would be better for normal riding as you'd still have the low-down torque. I'd also respect you more for having a smaller bike. Us bikers love a good sports bike, they are impressive in so many ways, but they are also dangerous and unweildly in the wrong hands, and no one will respect you falling off your shiny restricted Yamahaninjazaki R10000turbosportsbeast.

Anyway i think i've gone off topic. Don't get an R1, even we won't think it's cool, you'll waste all of your money and it'll be shit. Even an R6 would be quite funny restricted, as would any supersports 600.

Do as the much more experienced tell you. If you want a sports bike - CBR600F, Thundercat (in R1/6 colours if you want) etc.
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[Ribenapigeon]

Get your licence then a cheap 250 next year. it was pointed out to me here that the cost of second hand 250s is going to drop next year when the 33bhp is raised to 47bhp. So thats my plan. My 125 is a really good one though so im keeping it for work purposes. A cheapy 250 will be for weekends.

[tom275]

My friend has a Thundercat with a restrictor kit fitted and it still runs smoothly and goes well.

I've just bought a Fazer which is a much better first big bike though, its nicely balanced and forgiving when you get it wrong.

Going from a 125 to an R1 would be suicide.

[Rogerborg]

[Efes123]

[lihp]

As for r6 insurance, I am 25 2 years ncb and pay 230 per year tpft

[breadlord]

Don't worry, you can do it.

Because
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[Teflon-Mike]

This is the 'thing', every-one SAYS that an R6/R1/ZX6R/ZX9R/Fire-Blade 'Will kill ya'... whan you are a newbie stepping up... trouble is that for an awful long time, they DONT.

These bikes have HUGE reserves of capability, they are FAR beyond the ability of the average road-rider, let alone a one-week-wonder with the ink still wet on thier first licence.

These newbies jump on these bikes, and they just 'work', they are actually incredibly easy to ride.... but they are focused on FAST that's ALL they do, and they do it really, really REALLY easily, and dont require hardly ANY rider-skill to go blisteringly quick.

But the sacrifice for all that numpty accessible speed is 'feed-back' and shear riding 'sensation'... in the hands of an expert they are very 'clinical', and towards the limits the 'clues' they give that they are nearing the limits are very subtle. To a newb or numpty, they will NEVER know what happened. One moment they will be riding along going great guns, convinced they are some sort of inately talented riding godd, becouse for umpety hundred miles they have ridden this bike, and gone faster and faster, and it HASN'T killed them, so it MUST be that they are the 'ace' they would like to believe..... then all of a sudden and for 'no apparent reason'.... bike has just 'lost it'... and IF they survive, well, they MUST have been pushing the limits or there must have been something on the road, or WHATEVER, that re-affirms that THEY are the riding god they believe themselves to be.

Bike does NOT demand much if anything from the rider, it just delivers SPEED, and that become the only 'thrill' they offer, and riders get adicted to it.

So easy to ride 'fast', they will become bike dependant, relying on those imensely powerful brakes to drag them out of trouble, the great grip of teh sticky tyres and the inate poise and stability of the bike to LET them be the complete numpties they have always been.

The bike will never challenge them to become a better rider, and it will never deliver the sensations and experiences that let you grow as a rider and LEARN those 'subtle' clues that tell you you are about to crash.

They look nice.... they sound nice.... and they deliver cheap speed-thrills to a lot of riders who frequently dont have the nouse to even realise its 90% down to the bike they ent dead, NOT that thier inate riding talent that has allowed them to 'tame the beast' every-one said would kill them.

SOME get the message, usually after a few speeding tickets or offs they walk away from... and get something softer that encourages them to up thier riding skill... others just get loonier and loonier uand end up doing track-days, to get thier big-speed kicks, but unfortunately far too many aren't that lucky, and they simply keep searching for ever bigger fixes of fast, as that is the only thing they have discovered bikes 'do'... until like any drug, it DOES kill them.

If you LIKE that kind of bike.... get a GPz500S or an SV650. with 65ish bhp these bikes are NO laggards. They are as powerful and lighter than my 'old' CB750, thats about that powerful, and while accused of being soft and not having razor edged handling they are still sharper than my old bus.... yet I regularly carve through annoying power-rangers blocking corners dropping from 70+ to 30 and convincing themselves that they are really going for it, becouse they are blocking the entire width of the road, dragging thier knee.

The GPz or SV both have more than enough speed to be exiting, and the handling; people that rate them as boring, I suspect simply cant be arsed to work for the rewards, becouee like my old 750, to get the best out of these bikes you HAVE to work for it.

THAT is rewarding, THAT is fun. ANY idiot can jump on a Hyabusa and go silly speeds... going 'decent' speeds on a 500 commuter takes effort, and builds skill, and is a heck of a lot more FUN.

And the bike encourages you to up your game, GIVING you feed-back, giving you sensation' and preparing you for those subtelties IF you ever throw your leg over plastic fantastic.

Thus prepared, you first can apreciate and exploit what something like an R6 is doing for you, and more importantly know what it ISN'T.

And thus prepared, you will be able to better use it, and better enjoy it. BUT, while I have this argument with G every time I say it; personally I simply DON'T find them 'exiting' to ride, because they just do so much without requiring much effort or involving me in the process and 'engaging' in partnership, or delivering all the 'sensations' of riding other than shear 'speed' I actually enjoy.
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[Minty]

[breadlord]

It's not about going from a 125 to litrebike, it's about fitting a restrictor kit to an R6 / R1 so it meets 33BHP.

That's the insane part.

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[MaybeGuy]

[Rogerborg]