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Fowlersrs
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Bike Aerodynamics - Advice Reply with quote

So I've been riding my Z750 a few months now and one thing that's bugging me a bit is the amount of wind u get in your face @ 90+, I didn't realise just how uncomfortable it is on a naked bike.

So my first thoughts are screens for wind deflection but there are hardly any options for the Z750 really and I don't want to be drilling fairings and detracting from market value as I will prob move it on in a year when I can afford to insure a 600 sports, which got me thinking.

Are there any bikes out there similar to your R6's GSXR's that are a decent insurance group but have double bubble screens upfront, whilst retaining that sporty look. I'd be in no rush but I could put the Z up for sale and look at other models of bike...

I think the Z is group 12 so something along those lines would be great. Any recommendations?
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try looking at GSXR750s or the 750 variants of the sports...seem quite cheap to insure.

Even some litre twin sports are cheap (TL1000R)
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only one I've found so far is the GSX 650F, @ group 12 that would be an option. Looks like it comes with the GSXR front end!!
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Budget?
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:
The only one I've found so far is the GSX 650F, @ group 12 that would be an option. Looks like it comes with the GSXR front end!!


But the engine from a mobility scooter.

Do quotes on all bikes, some are wildly different
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give a Ducati 750ss a quote, you'll be pleasantly surprised Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

FZR600/FZR600R

I've got the R and I'm pretty sure I can get a double bubble screen if I wanted to but the wind at 90/100 isn't that bad anyway.

Also the FZR750 & 1000 if you wanted a bigger engine. These will all be 90s/late 80s bikes though.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about a Z750S?
FZ6S/FZ8S?
XJ6S?
F800ST?
Z1000SX?

You can fit a double-bubble/flip/touring screen to pretty much any bike with a standard screen.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Bike Aerodynamics - Advice Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:
So I've been riding my Z750 a few months now and one thing that's bugging me a bit is the amount of wind u get in your face @ 90+, I didn't realise just how uncomfortable it is on a naked bike.


Hmmmm... well, that is an inbuilt 'dont-loose-your-licence' feature' ISN'T it?

Yes, can get tiresome, but, lets you know, at least 10 per before auto-ban, you are tramping on a bit. CAN be useful!

SLOW DOWN; there isn't enough space between yellow boxes in this country for it to get THAT uncomfortable!

Work on your obs & haz-pep & trying to hold higher average speed, rather than just blasting fast as... its more fun, more rewarding & less risk to life & licence
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Bike Aerodynamics - Advice Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
jealous of faster bikes


Tut Tut Tef, bit jealous eh Laughing Go as fast as you want. Wink
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Bike Aerodynamics - Advice Reply with quote

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Tut Tut Tef, bit jealous eh Laughing Go as fast as you want. Wink


No, he has a point. Fairings have an annoying habit of making bikes boring at normal speeds, so you need to do ludicrous speed to get the same excitement. I'd rather have a naked bike and stick at 90mph than be bored at 120 on a faired bike.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmm, I see your point. All I really saw of Tefs is "don't go fast" and "slow down"

I know its majorly different, ridden the GSXR and a Bandit on motorways/duals at around 100, the GSXR felt far comfier, a lot less pressure and did feel slightly less obvious you were doing a ton.

The bandit was tearing me off the seat Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Bike Aerodynamics - Advice Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:
jealous of faster bikes


Tut Tut Tef, bit jealous eh Laughing Go as fast as you want. Wink


No just get frustrated, doing a 'nice' speed down some fast bendy bit of road, having some plonker come screaming past on teh straight, then having to take evasive action when I nearly t-bone them at the next corner becouse they have hauled on the anchores, heeled the thing over to thier knee and are blocking my line, going half the speed I could without the drame, while they are deturmined that they must be 'maxed out' becouse they have some plastic scraping tarmac. Rolling Eyes

No, he has a 'few months' experience. And is suggesting that this quirk of naked bikes, that only rears its head at significantly illegal speeds is worth a major mod or completely new bike to solve....

Problem isn't that he's got turbulance, problem is he's trying to tramp-on far more than maybe a wise idea.....

Think around 'the problem', see it from an alternative angle, and maybe, problem dont lie with bike buy way he's using it.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Half my problem could be that I'm riding with sportsbikes I guess, top end poppers. Think I might just bare with it for now, it's not anything that's seriously bothering me, just been niggling that's all. Like you say it's not about playing catch up, I'm happy to be the capitan slow of the group anyway Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You canny make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Trying to improve aerodynamics after the fact is closing the door after the horse has bolted.

For the best wind protection you need a touring bike with a big screen.
There are 'Sport-Tourers' but they offer marginal protection for neck and head in the average male rider.

Simple rule, if you stick your head up you get it shot off.

Fitting an after-market double bubble etc. is only a token effort at improving what is probably terrible in the first place and any benefit is usually just the poor sod who paid over a hundred beer tokens for a piece of plastic that offers not much more than the OEM piece of plastic justifying his 'investment'.

They only afford this marginal improvement if you can keep your chin on the tank for ages.

I am one who has paid dearly for the tosh MRA et al claim solves all sorts of troubles.
The trouble is I don't know of anyone who will let you try and return if not satisfied. I can bet that market would be crippled if such a scheme existed.

Most folk like how an after-market screen 'looks' so can swallow the loss in claimed effects.
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Bike Aerodynamics - Advice Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:


No just get frustrated, doing a 'nice' speed down some fast bendy bit of road, having some plonker come screaming past on teh straight, then having to take evasive action when I nearly t-bone them at the next corner becouse they have hauled on the anchores, heeled the thing over to thier knee and are blocking my line, going half the speed I could without the drame, while they are deturmined that they must be 'maxed out' becouse they have some plastic scraping tarmac. Rolling Eyes

No, he has a 'few months' experience. And is suggesting that this quirk of naked bikes, that only rears its head at significantly illegal speeds is worth a major mod or completely new bike to solve....

Problem isn't that he's got turbulance, problem is he's trying to tramp-on far more than maybe a wise idea.....

Think around 'the problem', see it from an alternative angle, and maybe, problem dont lie with bike buy way he's using it.


Your completely right Tef and thanks for highlighting that point, I think it's important like u say to think about all aspects of riding and not just hooning down straights, I've noticed this behaviour myself and as u said I need to engage my brain in enjoying cornering at steady speeds rather than boot and brake so to speak.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Bike Aerodynamics - Advice Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Stuff about faired bikes


Commuting/touring on an unfaired bike, especially at 80+ motorway speeds is made of gay.

A fairing does more than just facilitate a warp speed trip to prison.
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sold my ZX9R for this very reason. I'm fine with that, it's just it catches you out. Then all of a sudden, 70/80mph is very boring. I'm using it on the road - I don't want to be bored at those speeds.

It would effortlessly do 120+ everywhere. The hornet keeps my speed down. Now 70mph is fine again.


Agreed for distance no fairing can be a pain. I'm off for 2500 miles round europe in 8 weeks, I'll just fit a little fly screen.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

garth wrote:
I sold my ZX9R for this very reason. I'm fine with that, it's just it catches you out. Then all of a sudden, 70/80mph is very boring. I'm using it on the road - I don't want to be bored at those speeds.

It would effortlessly do 120+ everywhere. The hornet keeps my speed down. Now 70mph is fine again.


Agreed for distance no fairing can be a pain. I'm off for 2500 miles round europe in 8 weeks, I'll just fit a little fly screen.


So I guess the bike will be towed behind on a trailer???

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PostPosted: 13:35 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I'll be riding it. I'll just have a beefcake neck upon my return.

Pfft, I juggle work and evening classes.

Stop abusing me and take that S1 on the track...
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Re: Bike Aerodynamics - Advice Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:


Commuting/touring on an unfaired bike, especially at 80+ motorway speeds is made of gay.


No, it is only possible by the manliest of manly men who write best selling pamplets entitled "Why I like to do it with women".
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 22 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

vfr Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thundercat...... 140+ and wind is no problem at all
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dean-J wrote:
Thundercat...... 140+ and wind is no problem at all for me


Fixed it for you.
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