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angryjonny
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: D-Locks Reply with quote

You don't hear much about D-locks for motorbikes. No-one seems to use them - any particular reason? Because they're cumbersome or because there's some security weakpoint with the concept?

I have a D-lock that I can fit to my bike through the swing-arm and back wheel (i.e. actually through a gap in the swing arm, not just around it) so that the bike can't be wheeled and the back wheel can't be removed. It's an Oxford one (yeah I know) so before I upgrade to one that isn't made of pig iron, I thought I'd find out why they don't seem to be particularly popular. Seems to me to be way more secure than just bolting a disc lock to the front wheel.
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The generic ones ive seen dont seem to be very think. IE The 'C' bit. Once you take the plastic coating off, theres not alot there, set of bolt croppers straight through.
Also, those keys, aint there only 1000 different ones?
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lock mechanism (on mine at least) seems to be identical to other disk locks I have. I don't know how to describe the lock but it isn't one of those you can open with a Bic biro.

I'll inspect mine when I get home but the C bit seems far thicker than the links on most chains - but maybe it's just built up with plastic.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
The lock mechanism (on mine at least) seems to be identical to other disk locks I have. I don't know how to describe the lock but it isn't one of those you can open with a Bic biro.

I'll inspect mine when I get home but the C bit seems far thicker than the links on most chains - but maybe it's just built up with plastic.


A company called Kryptonite (or something) used to make a D lock that cost around £250.00 that could be picked with any ball point pen Laughing They have a £1000 gaurentee on it as well - so if your bicycle got knicked, they'd give you £1000 - So many claims! Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't have a biro to hand, a car jack works well too Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
If you don't have a biro to hand, a car jack works well too Thumbs Up .

True - though with the D lock through both sides of the swing arm, there's no space to get a jack in.

It can be lifted but it can't be wheeled without lifting the whole body of the bike, so (by no means my only measure of security) it's superior to a disk lock, right?
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martay wrote:
The generic ones ive seen dont seem to be very think. IE The 'C' bit. Once you take the plastic coating off, theres not alot there, set of bolt croppers straight through.
Also, those keys, aint there only 1000 different ones?


Does it really matter? Any lock you put on a bike can be had off in no time
at all with bolt croppers, an angle grinder etc etc

All a lock is there for is to deter 99% of thieves, and slow down the 1% that
are determined to take it. No lock is going to keep your bike safe, or stop
it from being taken from someone that actually wants it.
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW when I started out I had an Abus D-lock from the pushbike. Quite long and thin. However, Abus us a decent make so it got pushed through the front forks of the CG, they were just thin enough. Don't expect it would have been any serious protection but it did give a feelgood factor I had some security.

Oh, the Abus had a proper key as well Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
It can be lifted but it can't be wheeled without lifting the whole body of the bike, so (by no means my only measure of security) it's superior to a disk lock, right?


I reckon they are about the same - they both stop the wheel from turning and I can't see many thieves going through the effort of cropping a D-lock or disclock on scene - the bike will be lifted away and neither will make a difference until later when they have all the time they want to get through it. Both are gone in a few seconds with a grinder.

A good disc lock has a shackle that is mostly covered and is hard to get at with croppers but the wheel can be removed, the D lock has an exposed shackle but the wheel can't be removed - probably balances out in terms of PITA to get around.

If the D-lock was used as well as a decent chain through the rear wheel to an immovable object it would probably help as the rear wheel couldn't be removed.

The best security is a better, less secure bike parked next to you Laughing .
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
The best security is a better, less secure bike parked next to you Laughing .


This is exactly my approach Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's Mrs Angryjonny's approach too Wink
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a fasion thing. When I was at Uni, we all used D-Locks it was all you could get. I brought the first Disc-Lock in the country & put it on the market, & the 'portability' & cost has made people gof for them instead.

Old D-Locks do have advantages though; as you say, they can be slotted through a wheel and swing-arm, so the wheel cant be removed for a wheelaway. you can also sometimes get them around the wheel and something else like a railing of lamp-post, and of course, most useful o a bike with drum brakes you cant fit a discie to!

Another thing you can do with a D-Lock is get an auxillary cable; OK, its not hugely deturmined tea-leaf resistant, but you can loop the cable through itself around some bit of street firnature, and lock to the D-loop. Easier to carry than a chain, using a noose at one end doubles the reach too, and gives added 'tie-down' against wheel-away.
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