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PostPosted: 18:04 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Yamaha DT125 81 Reply with quote

Hey guys I'm new here. Looking for some advice on my first ever bike !Bounce! I work in a joiner shop and pretty much every one there rides bikes, and seeing so many nice bikes everyday I think I've caught the bug. I'm 21 and looking to do my CBT the weekend.

My mate at work has offered me his Yamaha DT 125 81. I don't know what the bike has had done to it or mileage etc, have only seen pictures as of yet and it looks real tidy.
https://i797.photobucket.com/albums/yy251/mattyouk/578085_10150824864112374_556507373_9791479_1716567164_n.jpg
He's said I can have it for £900 which sounds a good deal to me but I really don't know a phat lot about bikes just yet! He's the kind of bloke who definatly looks after his bikes as he spends more time cleaning them and getting them running perfectly than actually riding them.
Any advice on these bikes and this one in particular would be really appreciated. I forgot to mention as someone will probably ask I would be using this bike as a commuter to and from work everyday only a 10 minute ride and will be looking for a bike to go on general rides too.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a lovely example and if it runs as well as it looks it's worth £900 of anybody's money. Mileage is pretty unimportant at that age, IMO, as it's pretty unlikely to be on its first piston.
Tbh, even if it needs a new one now it's a cheap enough job and would still be worth the money.

Hell, I'd buy it right now if it was offered to me.

As for your specific case, a 10 minute commute each day isn't ideal for a 2 stroke as it will barely be warm by the time you're switching it off. This 'may' accelerate wear - opinion is divided but I believe it's detrimental - but keep on top of the maintenance and she'll see you right. After all, it's lived for 30 years you're unlikely to kill it off in a few months.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply. I think it looks awesome and its aged better than me from the looks of it Smile I will use it for a lot of commuting too. Would it be good to leave it idling for 5 minutes before i set out in the morning? I don't want to ruin it after its lasted this long!
I'll definitely ride it for more than just work will go to the gym on it and general commuting through the week. With some long rides on country roads etc the weekend, it will definitely get used. It has all of the receipts on the parts its had on it so will post when I know its history. Along with photos of it being worked on too! I wanted more of a sports style 125 bike but I'm pretty sure I wont come a long a bike like this for this price for a while. Slowly starting to love the idea of owning it
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any experience on this bike or heard much about them? Can they really run well after 30 years on normal general maintanence?
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well personally I wouldn't leave it idling for 5 minutes from cold. Idling doesn't really move enough fuel, and therefore oil, around the engine for my liking. And doing that from cold seems about the worst combination. I would start up, put on helmet and gloves and ride off. I'd keep the revs lowish by short-shifting for a good few minutes though, turning of the choke as soon as it will tick-over unaided - so only a minute or two.

There will be others who suggest different tactics though.

Your best bet is ask the owner what he currently does and adopt that for now.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adding: I never owned a DT but have owned and ridden other 2 strokes of the era, back when I was 17.... 1987 Embarassed
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A simple solution for you turn your 10 min commute into 20 or 30 min one Very Happy .Nice looking bike as well.. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus Icon wrote:
That's a lovely example and if it runs as well as it looks it's worth £900 of anybody's money.

NOT my insuirance companies... they reckon theone nicked off me last month isn't worth bog all! Arsewolz!

Yup Its a DT-MX, air-cooled and cantilever mono-shock. NICE and simple, its an RXS100 with knobly tyres, and as powerful as any current learner-legal.

BUT, 1981/2 we DID NOT get the DT125MX in the UK. We got the DT175MX, which is 'almost' the same bike; differences are the barel & piston to give the extra capacity, carburettor & I THINK exhaust, and the oil pump & oil pump drive.

The earlier Twin-Shock DT125E was retained in the UK catalogue until 1982, when it was superceded by the later DT125LC with liquid cooling.

SO.... that bike is either an American or more Likely European 'grey' import (Quite a lot coming in from Italy & Switzerland) OR its a UK DT175 that was fitted with DT125 barels & re-registered as a 125 to be UK LEarner Legal after the 1982 125 Learner-Laws were introduced.

THIS is worth taking note of, as in either case, the bike is either NOT a UK DT125; that age the UK model would be earlier T-Shock, or it would be a MODIFIED DT175MX... and both can cause hassle with the insurance azzoles as I am discovering to my chagrin!

£900 is fair to middling money for these things. DT175MX's with less cfontention around them can command anything fro £700 for something barely road-worthy with an MOT up to over £2500 for something either very original or meticulousely restored.

£1500 is about the going rate for a 'good' 175.

£900 is NOT 'cheap' for a 125. Given contension around them, people are rather more reluctant to buy them; and as Learner-Legals, they look OLD and so dont command the same interest as the LC's that only a year or so newer, still look like bikes in cataloguies now.

What you are getting for your money though:-

VERY good spares support. These yams had very long model life and commonality with other air-cooled models is very good.

Performance. As said, it was a 14bhp bike when new, and that's as powerful as any modern Learner-Legal. They do NOT respond well to tuning though. They CAN be, but gains are small. 14bhp is your lot, these bikes were never designed to make more, they were never 'restricted' so cant be de-restricted. But keep 'em standard, and they ARE reliable, and if they DO break or need attension, its all pretty cheap and easy.

Brakes! Well, I will go as far as to say they are SHIT! Described in contemprary road tests when a single hydraulic disc of dubious stopping power was considered 'mighty powerful', described them as 'adequate'. 4" single leading shoe, cable operated drum... yeah... give the thing written notice if you want to do an e-stop! They are however, easy to maintain, and will haul you up 'OK', if you keep them properly adjusted. Bikes fly-weight 90Kg doesn't tax them too badly. Another plus point.

Lights? Abismal. 6v Direct off magneto tungsten bulb rated at 25W... the TAIL lamp of my 750 chucks out more light! There Is however an easy 12v conversion using a monkey-bike regulator (£10) and DT125LC battery (£25) and all you have to do is crimp a couple of wires and change all the bulbs. I used a 35w HID on mine, which required a new headlamp lense (£25) and it was FANTASTIC, and better than many modern bikes.

Handling is NOT to the same standard of modern enduro bikes, but these things redefined the standard with long travel rising rate suspension, and were a revolution compared to the old Twin-Shocks that preceded them. On road, they are probably a tad less squidgy than modern off-roaders, and I think pretty good. Found mine a little err... strange compared to conventional road-bikes, felt like riding a push-bike, being so taught and so light and so short... 'respectable' off-road, and reasonably good on-road for the TYPE, which IS compromised compared to a dedicated road bike.

They are a very 'nice' bike to own and to ride, and very easy to live with, and an AWFUL lot of fun.... but they are FUCKING nick-able, and you cant use a disc-lock, so CHAIN IT DOWN every where you leave it!

Depending o condition? Yeah, £750 up for anything with tax & MOT... £900 yeah, probably not a bad price for one. A LOT of bike for your money and a HECK of a lot less to go wrong, cause hassle of cost you money than a later LC version.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 23 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helpful replies thanks guys. Sounds like they are good bikes, will see if I can take a look at it on the weekend and keep you updated any ideas on what revs it should idle at 2000? 1500?
Will definitely be wanting to install HIDs, also AT THE MOMENT I'm not even thinking of upgrading to a more powerful bike, so may do some research on a disk brake conversion if the brakes really are as bad as you say. I'm quite respectful of how dangerous bikes can be plus I will be doing a lot of rush hour commuting so want to know i have good brakes when I need them.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 24 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mattyouk wrote:
Helpful replies thanks guys. Sounds like they are good bikes, will see if I can take a look at it on the weekend and keep you updated any ideas on what revs it should idle at 2000? 1500?
Will definitely be wanting to install HIDs, also AT THE MOMENT I'm not even thinking of upgrading to a more powerful bike, so may do some research on a disk brake conversion if the brakes really are as bad as you say. I'm quite respectful of how dangerous bikes can be plus I will be doing a lot of rush hour commuting so want to know i have good brakes when I need them.


The brakes are 'OK' and not worth modding out. People have used DL MkII forks, jokes & Wheel to give discs, but hey maye the bike sit awkwardly & reduce steering lock.

If you get new shoes & new cable, and a manual; adjust them PROPERLY and KEEP them adjusted properly, they are good enough; you just have to learn to use BOTH brakes properly, and be 'predictive; in your riding, which is all GOOD STUFF for a learner.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 24 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going to look at it tomorrow and hopefully have a little ride on it... bet i drop it Razz
He's got pictures of it being restored so this should make an interesting little thread. Hopefully I will have it by next weekend if everything is OK.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been to see it this evening.. It genuinely does look as good as it does in the picture. Starts straight away frame has been sandblasted no signs of rust anywhere. Idles at about 1250 rpm.
It was dripping oil while running from the exhaust gasket. He said hes positive its because he's put too much oil in? I'm not too worried anyhow as if its a genuine oil leak it should be just an easy gasket change?
Also as he hasn't ever rode this bike, bought it as an investment a few months ago the bike will go up and down in gears fine.. but we can't seem to get it to go from first into neutral. once you cut the power it returns to neutral fine and when changing into first with the clutch down the bike will push forward a little.
This changing down into neutral is what I'm concerned about really but I'm not sure if there is a certain way of doing it? neither is the owner.
Overall I'm impressed with the bike and for £1000 I get the bike, taxed, MOT for 2 months (which I can't see anything it will fail for let me know if you can!) a Roofs helmet, jacket, Kevlar trousers, gloves and a bike cover.
I guess I'm just nervous to take the plunge lol any advice massively appreciated... or a bit of a nudge
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally mate, as a first time bike, id get something newer, and something that can take a knock or two. This seems a little fragile for a beginners bike. But im just being boring!
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooops I forgot... while it sounds like it runs fine, it is kicking out a lot of white smoke and aparantly he says it's just because it's been sitting there for a while and needs a good ride. This is coming from our gaffer who actually bought the bike and rode it back, said it went after a little while.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 25 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like it needs a bit of adjustment on the clutch but it's hard to tell from here.

White 'smoke' is probably condensate from the exhaust. White is indicative of water but you don't have that issue with an air-cooled bike.

At the end of the day it's your decision. I would have it in a heartbeat in my position, as I wouldn't need 100% reliability to get me to work, but your circumstances might be a bit different.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 27 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I have put a deposit on the bike! Very Happy I went to see the bike again yesterday and we cleaned it up and had a good look at this oil leak. There was a bit too much oil in so we changed it and put some new oil in. The leak was from a few pinholes in the exhaust so no biggy.
So excited now to get my CBT done and get out on the roads! Thanks for your help.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 28 May 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoy your purchase and your freedom Thumbs Up

If you break it I will give you £20 and a 4 pack of lemongrass flavoured Lucozade for it.
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