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 Posted: 20:05 - 26 May 2012 Post subject: Trying to get the woman a license before January - thoughts? |
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So I've been looking at the various options, and it more or less boils down to;
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Get a 125, try and teach her myself + possible top up lesson(s) for mod 1.
The issue is most definitely cost as we're both dirty penniless students.
The latter route seems to be more cost effective, as the 125 will resell at roughly the purchase price. But it's a major pain in the arse trying to find one for sensible money that's on the DSA list for A2 license.
I'm quite worried about the timescale of it all, but then if we went the 125 route we'd have a while for retests if needed without the extra cost of bike hire etc that a DAS would probably incur...
DAS is looking pretty attractive, as I've seen a course advertised for £460 locally. But then, that money is gone forever whereas, as said, a 125 can be resold..
On the other hand, I have a GPz 550 that, once repaired, she could use. So owning a 125 is not really any great incentive to choose that route, as it would be purely to get her through the test.
What does BCF reckon? How often do newbies tend to fail their first tests on DAS courses? Are we gonna end up forking for lessons anyway if I try and teach her?
She's not totally incompetant, had a bit of a go on bikes and didn't crash or anything else that would make me think she'll need longer than average to get to test standard.. ____________________ GS125-> NT400->VFR400->CRM250->Z750 + GS125->NTV650 rat + VMX1200->GSF600 + GPz550 |
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Based purely on cost, buying a 125, insuring it and passing on that is almost definitely a cheaper option (Rogerborg has posted a few times on the stats involved, the pass rate between DAS students and restricted A differs by only 10% or so - it's assumed most people doing restricted A don't go for lessons).
The 125 route will almost definitely require more up front though.
If you don't crash the bike and buy something decent (3-4 year old YBR or similar), you'll likely sell it on for no loss. So the cost will be petrol, minor consumables, CBT, test fees.
CBT ~£100, test fees, £15 per Mod 1, £75ish per Mod 2. You'd have to fail Mod 2 about four times to come close to the DAS fee.
The issue is more about which is more sensible - undergoing training, or trying to pass the license as cheaply as possible. Also keeping in mind whether she'd be happy with a restricted license. |
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That is more or less how I see it, although I wouldn't be looking at a 3-4 year old anything - bugger that! Way more up front than I'd like.
Even older 125s that are on the list are fetching ridiculous prices compared to a few years ago. Wish I'd held onto one of my GSes now!
Has anyone managed mod1 with no training? I don't really frequent this section having passed quite a while ago now!
My worry is that, ignoring the cost of the bike, going the 125 route would still come to a high cost. If the DAS cost includes tests & cbt, then it looks highly attractive, as that's £230~ accounted for already, that we'd still need to fork out either way.
So that'd make the cost of training & bike hire £200. If we went the 125 route and she couldn't manage the mod1, a lesson or two would probably end up costing similar. Also the cost of insuring the 125 would be about £150, though I dunno how much switching it to the GPz would be (or just starting from there if DAS)...
Upfront cost is a problem, as said, this does rather have to be on the cheap if we're gonna beat the January deadline.. ____________________ GS125-> NT400->VFR400->CRM250->Z750 + GS125->NTV650 rat + VMX1200->GSF600 + GPz550 |
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Buy her a 125.
Get her a CBT booked.
Get her on the road.
Get her some follow on lessons booked within a fortnight of CBT.
DO NOT try and TEACH her yourself.
NOT if you value the relationship!
As like as not it will only lead to tears, and as like as not, you will teach her YOUR bad habbits.
Leave teaching to teacher.
When she gets back, get HER to show you what she was tought!
Encourage, support, enjoy!
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| ttr wrote: | Has anyone managed mod1 with no training? |
Plenty of us do it, there's nothing particularly hard in it. However, the mod 1 pass rate for women is significantly lower than for men, something like mid 40s versus mid 60s. I don't know what they fail on, bless 'em, since their mod 2 pass rate is marginally higher.
The 125 route shouldn't cost you anything beyond the test fees, since you can sell the bike on. But yes, everyone and their dog (and girlfriend) is after a cheap 125 at the moment, you're going to need to be lucky to bag a bargain.
Please be clear that "DAS" is a name for the 35kW+ "big bike" test, not a training course. You'll have to ask what is and isn't included in that course that you're looking at. And remember, if your girlfriend is going to fail a couple of tests, then the costs are going to ramp up accordingly.
Just checking, is she 21+? She needs to be to do the tests on a 35kW+ bike.
As a 3rd option, if you can get her insured on your 550 on her provisional license, it's perfectly fine for her to sit her tests on that bike. Getting her up to test standard first on "private roads" is up to you.
Definitely get her theory and CBT booked ASAP, she'll need them whichever route she goes.
Speaking of goers, that reminds me: pics or GTFO.    ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | | ttr wrote: | Has anyone managed mod1 with no training? |
Plenty of us do it, there's nothing particularly hard in it. However, the mod 1 pass rate for women is significantly lower than for men, something like mid 40s versus mid 60s. I don't know what they fail on, bless 'em, since their mod 2 pass rate is marginally higher.
The 125 route shouldn't cost you anything beyond the test fees, since you can sell the bike on. But yes, everyone and their dog (and girlfriend) is after a cheap 125 at the moment, you're going to need to be lucky to bag a bargain.
Please be clear that "DAS" is a name for the 35kW+ "big bike" test, not a training course. You'll have to ask what is and isn't included in that course that you're looking at. And remember, if your girlfriend is going to fail a couple of tests, then the costs are going to ramp up accordingly.
Just checking, is she 21+? She needs to be to do the tests on a 35kW+ bike.
As a 3rd option, if you can get her insured on your 550 on her provisional license, it's perfectly fine for her to sit her tests on that bike. Getting her up to test standard first on "private roads" is up to you.
Definitely get her theory and CBT booked ASAP, she'll need them whichever route she goes.
Speaking of goers, that reminds me: pics or GTFO.    |
Yep she's 21, and no pics
Never heard of getting insured on a big bike with a provisional license, surely that's never going to happen?!
Also not heard of doing the DAS on your own bike (presumably due to the former). Thought it was restricted only to people who take the course & use a hire bike with an instructor...
Interesting. Would be difficult to get her up to standard on 'private roads' let alone private roads, bit too much of a dodgy option given the amount of time I expect it'd need.
Weird about the pass rates. If I end up attempting to teach her I am dreading trying to teach the swerve part. It'll either end in "There's no way I can do that" or her crashing into me and us both dying in a ball of flames. ____________________ GS125-> NT400->VFR400->CRM250->Z750 + GS125->NTV650 rat + VMX1200->GSF600 + GPz550 |
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the insurance is available I have only a provisional
I have my 125 insured obviously as I am riding it
My gpz500 is sat insured at home waiting for me  |
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| ttr wrote: | Never heard of getting insured on a big bike with a provisional license, surely that's never going to happen?! |
Some places will do it, but you'll have to shop around a bit. It's perfectly legal, you can ride a Hayabusa on a provisional while under (certified) training or on test.
| ttr wrote: | Also not heard of doing the DAS on your own bike (presumably due to the former). Thought it was restricted only to people who take the course & use a hire bike with an instructor... |
Absolutely not, there's no requirement to have had any training at all (beyond the CBT). All that matters is the bike, and that it's insured (they just ask you to confirm it) and sporting L plates front and rear.
| ttr wrote: | Interesting. Would be difficult to get her up to standard on 'private roads' let alone private roads, bit too much of a dodgy option given the amount of time I expect it'd need. |
Probably, but how about getting her some taught training on a school's "big girl" bike, see how she gets on, then get her insured on your bike for her tests - that'd take some of the pressure off.
| ttr wrote: | Weird about the pass rates. If I end up attempting to teach her I am dreading trying to teach the swerve part. It'll either end in "There's no way I can do that" or her crashing into me and us both dying in a ball of flames. |
The swerve itself really isn't that hard at all, it's just like avoiding a pothole or edging-out cager.
Where I suspect (without any evidence) that the problems come in is in showing the bike the whip to get it up to speed. On a 125 in particular, you need to go round the bend as fast as possible, then get on the throttle early and hold it wide open all the way to the speed check, ignoring any mechanical sympathy that you may possess. It might involve a certain amount of "Yes, I know dear, you're right, yes, I agree, but just do it."  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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If she can pass a cbt she can pass the rest with no instruction whatsoever...everything on the Mod1 is covered on the CBT anyway bar the swerve, and all you've gotta do for that is pin it in 2nd from the 2nd to last blue cone. Mod2 is just a case of doing what your told, rembering indicators, shoulder checks and watching the speedo. Happy days!
Going through this myself...hence keeping my px bike and buying a ratty GS for the time being. Soon as she passes the YBR will be sold on, she'll have the GS and i'll then have some dollar for a pretty bike.  ____________________ Please be aware that the above post may be full of complete nonsense.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 136 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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