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Beez
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 01 Jun 2012    Post subject: Mother-cocking CBF125. Reply with quote

After about an hour of sub 15mph car park riding (teaching the missus), decided to call it a day and head home. Get up to about 20 mph, bike cuts out, subsequent attempts to restart are in vain.

Nothing abonormal leading up to it (slight rattling sound which I think was the L plate), no drama or weird noise when it cut out. After letting it cool down for a good 30 mins still no joy.

So far all I've checked is the oil level and the spark plug cap, partly because I don't really know what I'm doing and partly because I'm sick of looking at the bloody thing.

Anyone got any ideas?

EDIT: Fixed, see last post.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 01 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really stupid question, it has got fuel hasnt it?
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 01 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the spark plug out, Rest it against something that is earthed,

Crank the engine over (with the plug still attached to the lead) and see if it sparks.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 01 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

AlexW wrote:
Really stupid question, it has got fuel hasnt it?


Heh, should of seen that one coming, yes it has.

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Take the spark plug out, Rest it against something that is earthed,

Crank the engine over (with the plug still attached to the lead) and see if it sparks.


By crank you mean just hit the starter right? Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 01 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beez wrote:
AlexW wrote:
Really stupid question, it has got fuel hasnt it?


Heh, should of seen that one coming, yes it has.

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Take the spark plug out, Rest it against something that is earthed,

Crank the engine over (with the plug still attached to the lead) and see if it sparks.


By crank you mean just hit the starter right? Laughing


Yes
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 01 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Classic fadge juice ran into the air intake, and carb, subsequent fuelling shagged.

Empty tank or bin the misses. Idea Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 01 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cessna Tomtom wrote:
Take the spark plug out, Rest it against something that is earthed,

Crank the engine over (with the plug still attached to the lead) and see if it sparks.


Good strong spark, plug seems a bit dark (although it was running lean a few weeks ago, resolved itself when I stopped using vpower petrol).
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 01 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beez wrote:
Cessna Tomtom wrote:
Take the spark plug out, Rest it against something that is earthed,

Crank the engine over (with the plug still attached to the lead) and see if it sparks.


Good strong spark, plug seems a bit dark (although it was running lean a few weeks ago, resolved itself when I stopped using vpower petrol).


Im assuming the plug was dry.. In that case, i don't think any fuel has been getting to the cyl.

My 2p worth is, Its either a Blocked/Broken injector or Knackered fuel pump (i think the CBF is infamous for the pump breaking)
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 01 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cessna Tomtom wrote:

Im assuming the plug was dry.. In that case, i don't think any fuel has been getting to the cyl.

My 2p worth is, Its either a Blocked/Broken injector or Knackered fuel pump (i think the CBF is infamous for the pump breaking)


Replaced the fuel pump once already Rolling Eyes , although the old one worked when cold, whereas it won't start at all now.

Injector sounds plausible, that might have been the cause of it running too lean and not starting right a few weeks ago as well mightn't it?

Ill go see if I can feel any fuel on the plug.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 01 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beez wrote:
Cessna Tomtom wrote:

Im assuming the plug was dry.. In that case, i don't think any fuel has been getting to the cyl.

My 2p worth is, Its either a Blocked/Broken injector or Knackered fuel pump (i think the CBF is infamous for the pump breaking)


Replaced the fuel pump once already Rolling Eyes , although the old one worked when cold, whereas it won't start at all now.

Injector sounds plausible, that might have been the cause of it running too lean and not starting right a few weeks ago as well mightn't it?

Ill go see if I can feel any fuel on the plug.


If you were trying to start the bike for as long as you say you were, The plug should be drenched.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 01 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cessna Tomtom wrote:
If you were trying to start the bike for as long as you say you were, The plug should be drenched.


BONE dry, and no smell of petrol from the case.

Might get the multimeter out tomorrow and test the fuel pump, if its the injector then its back to the garage for the second time in two months.

Hondas eh? Should of just bought a bloody Chinese rip off.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 02 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the orange (MIL) lamp on the dash flash at all if you have the ignition on and kick the sidestand down? Or did it flash when the engine cut out? You can count the number of long and short flashes and match it up with a fault code, which narrows things down as to where to look.

Valve clearances being out of spec is a known cause of this sort of thing on the CBF as well and they're fairly easy to check.
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 03 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
Does the orange (MIL) lamp on the dash flash at all if you have the ignition on and kick the sidestand down? Or did it flash when the engine cut out? You can count the number of long and short flashes and match it up with a fault code, which narrows things down as to where to look.

Valve clearances being out of spec is a known cause of this sort of thing on the CBF as well and they're fairly easy to check.


Does the kickstand have to be down for the MIL to flash an error code? Checked on the centre stand but there was nothing out of the ordinary (lights up on ignition, then off).

Valve clearances I could check, but I can't get the damn RH fairing off, the screws have completely stuck (even the RAC guy gave up after 10 mins of struggling with it).

So, next course of action seems to be to drill the screws out. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 03 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it's the kickstand that needs to be down for it to display a 'current' fault code.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 03 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bring back the CG. None of this fault code flashing fuel injected blocking electric pump failing nonsense, it would take something major to not get you home.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 03 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Bring back the CG. None of this fault code flashing fuel injected blocking electric pump failing nonsense, it would take something major to not get you home.

^This times [insert large number here].

I've been trying to sort out the Mrs' CBF for an MOT, and I discovered the hard way that having a weak battery produces the exact same bunnyhopping routine that neil. described when his one's fuel pump was on its way out.

Why in the hell would a 125 single need fuel injection? I still can't wrap my head around it.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 03 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
Why in the hell would a 125 single need fuel injection? I still can't wrap my head around it.


EU.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 03 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
Yes it's the kickstand that needs to be down for it to display a 'current' fault code.

Nothing still. Thumbs Down

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Bring back the CG. None of this fault code flashing fuel injected blocking electric pump failing nonsense, it would take something major to not get you home.

Ironically purchased CBF over CG due to the fact it was newer and "more reliable". I don't think I'll be buying anything with FI again for a good while.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 03 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
nowhere.elysium wrote:
Why in the hell would a 125 single need fuel injection? I still can't wrap my head around it.


EU.


and all these chinese bikes with carbs are getting past this EU nonsense!
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 03 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chinese CG125 Rip off > Genuine Honda CBF 125
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 04 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right well this is interesting.

Got the fairing completely off (impact drivers ftw) disconnected the fuel line from the pump, realised I didnt have any spare hose to test the pump with as per the Haynes manual, so just connected the fuel up again. Decided to try and fire the bike up again for giggles and it started first time Shocked

Any possibility this could of been caused by an air bubble in the line or such like? I really can't see how disconnecting and reconnecting the fuel line sorted it.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 06 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to update this post incase anyone else has the issue:

Bike left me stranded again last week, with another call to the RAC.

After checking the fuel hose, fuel pump, sparks and HT leads the RAC guy reaches in and pulls a cable out.

Turns out the issue all along was the power/ecu cable that connects to the injector throttle body was loose, but becuase it was hidden by a big rubber boot, no one (even the garage) had noticed it.

Clicked the bugger back in and started first time, bike now runs fine. Thumbs Up HTH someone.
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