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yambabe
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: A n00b question about oil Reply with quote

I've changed the oil on my bike all by myself today for the first time ever. Embarassed

Now I know most of you are already having a good old Laughing at me for being proud of doing something so easy but meh, we all have to start somewhere eh?

Anyway, what I wanted to ask was, I noticed as I dropped the old oil out that it started off really thick and black like treacle, but got cleaner as more came out. This suggests to me that all the crap settles to the bottom once the bike is parked up.

Being that oil is so thick by nature and often holds stuff in suspension I'm just wondering if anyone can explain to me in laymans terms why this is, why it doesn't just stay where it is? What is the dirty stuff made up of and where does it come from?

Sorry for the odd question Embarassed but the OH is out this afternoon.......
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you let it out while it was still warm/hot?
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure it wasn't just that the stream got thinner so less opaque? When you first pull the sump plug (and drop it accidentally into the washing up bowl) you have a thick stream of oil so it looks black. When it's down to a dribble it will look more golden as you can see through it.

I always drop the oil immediately after stopping the engine so if you did the same it should be pretty well mixed I'd have thought.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The crap is basically bits of engine and stuff from where the structure of the oil breaks down with heat/mechanical pressure.

The bits of metal and crap are heaver than the rest of the oil so over time they sink. They will sink slower in oil than water but they still sink (just like the glass in your house windows is flowing down the pane!)

It could also be as the oil level is getting lower you get a slower flow rate so the oil can look lighter in colour even if it isn't. Smile

Was the engine warm when you emptied the oil? Flows much better if it is Smile

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PostPosted: 15:38 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The engine was stone cold and the bike has been stood for a week.

I only dropped the spanner into the bowl, not the nut or the washer as well! Mr. Green

So do it warm next time? *makes note*
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yambabe wrote:
The engine was stone cold and the bike has been stood for a week.

I only dropped the spanner into the bowl, not the nut or the washer as well! Mr. Green

So do it warm next time? *makes note*
Get it warm, then remove the filler cap before undoing the drain bolt.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yen_powell wrote:
then remove the filler cap before undoing the drain bolt.


Not sure if serious
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do NOT remove the filter, if you don't have a new one as a replacement. Just drain it (warm engine helps, oil viscosity decreases with higher temperature), then change the filter (lube it if needed), don't forget to put the screw back and fill it up. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

jay12329 wrote:
(just like the glass in your house windows is flowing down the pane!)


This is a well perpetrated myth.

Antique windows often look larger at the bottom because glassmakers just weren't as good as they are today. There are examples of the opposite being true (top of the window being thicker), it's just less common for various useful reasons.

https://www.sciencenews.org/sn_arc98/5_30_98/fob3.htm

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The difference in thickness sometimes observed in antique windows probably results from glass manufacturing methods, says LaCourse. Until the 19th century, the only way to make window glass was to blow molten glass into a large globe then flatten it into a disk. Whirling the disk introduced ripples and thickened the edges. For structural stability, it would make sense to install those thick portions in the bottom of the pane, he says.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: A n00b question about oil Reply with quote

yambabe wrote:
What is the dirty stuff made up of and where does it come from?.


Most is probably carbon blown past the ring

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PostPosted: 18:24 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

yambabe wrote:
The engine was stone cold and the bike has been stood for a week.

I only dropped the spanner into the bowl, not the nut or the washer as well! Mr. Green

So do it warm next time? *makes note*


Was that on a virago?
Had to use a hammer on a spanner to undo the drain bolt, ridiculously tight
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 10 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

keggyhander wrote:
yen_powell wrote:
then remove the filler cap before undoing the drain bolt.


Not sure if serious


I would say serious
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