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Fowlersrs
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 12 Jun 2012    Post subject: Touring on a Budget Reply with quote

Ok guys im really starting to get the itch of getting a touring bike and doing some proper travelling across europe... however I dont have 12 grand to spend on a nice shiney BMW GS or Triumph Explorer unfortunately,

so to kick things off, could someone suggest a few road touring bikes that would be suitable to someone who is relatively new to this, doesnt have alot of NCB (insurance wise so no big thousand litre bikes) and doesnt have very good mechanical knowledge, although im prepared to learn a bit about a particular bike before I go, this has gotta be essential right?!

Im starting with the bike as its the most obvious bit of kit and the most important, I currently ride a Z750, I dont think this is gonna be suitable as im likely to get bashed from pillar to post with wind.. what are your thoughts travellers Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 12 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would you be happy with?
Think of the bikes you would be prepared to tour on, and not the bikes you cant afford to tour on.

Most mainstream bikes are capable of long distances these days so it`s a case of what your budget stretches to.

Z 750 whats wrong with that? are you going to spend the whole tour going at light-speed?
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Will it be just you on the bike or will it be two up?

Me, I`m happy to tour on a 250 Smile on my own Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 21:50 - 12 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Touring on a Budget Reply with quote

Your bike sounds fine - wind will be an issue for sustained speed, but bet you can get some sort of screen that will sort most of it.

Other than that, and modern bike designed for road use with an appropriate screen should be fine if you are ok with the riding position.

I'd choose a z750 over the big GS or silly triumph I reckon.
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PostPosted: 07:03 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I guess your right, u dont have to have the latest adventure bike to go touring on, what I want is something comfy above all else, if it wasnt for the vibrations at high speed through the pegs on my Z750 I would consider taking it, honestly, my feet start to go numb if I sit on the motorway at 80 because of the vibrations.

Im thinking at maybe looking at the baby R1200GS, the 600 version? I believe its the F650 GS Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer heavier bikes for distance, anything under 250lbs feels too light.
Did some of France last year on a 125 though, that was fun (spent more time fixing the bike than riding it). Touring on a small bike is a whole adventure in itself!

However: I've never ridden a "touring" bike, all my touring has been done on cruisers and i can safely say that laid back riding position and super heavy frame makes for some enjoyable long distance riding, unless you're in a hurry, then it doesn't Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

_matt wrote:
that laid back riding position and super heavy frame makes for some enjoyable long distance riding, unless you're in a hurry, then it doesn't Laughing

For you - if I'm going for those two, I'd much prefer to have it in a car.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can tour on anything. I was chatting to a lad the other day who is setting off for a 12 month + tour on a Honda CB250.

You want something reliable (obviously) but also fairly easy to fix. Something with a bit of comfort - but then having said that Nick Sanders has done many huge trips on R1's.

The F650gs you mention would be an ok choice but they are quite slow. 80mph cruising is about your lot, and they aren't especially quick to get there. But they are comfy and very good on fuel.

Try some longish day/weekend trips on your current bike, you may be surprised how capable it is.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:

Im thinking at maybe looking at the baby R1200GS, the 600 version? I believe its the F650 GS Laughing

Personally, don't really see the 'point' of the F650GS. First off, might as well get the F800GS - they use the same engine.

But, unless you're planning to do off-roading, I'd stick to something with 17" wheels. If you're are planning to go off-roading, get the KTM Adventure instead as it's overall better.

If it's just the vibrations though the pegs, how about looking at some pegs with rubber coated tops, presuming yours don't have these.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:

Im thinking at maybe looking at the baby R1200GS, the 600 version? I believe its the F650 GS Laughing

Personally, don't really see the 'point' of the F650GS. First off, might as well get the F800GS - they use the same engine...

Not if you get the older F650GS - that's a single Rotax unit IIRC. The modern stuff is twin cylinders upright (hence BMW's F designation).

On topic I agree you can tour on virtually anything. It just depends on your mindset and the distance(s) you want to go.

I've used the old Kwak GT550 on a tour of Scotland. Went around the coast. Granted it had a fairing and hard luggage (it came to me that way) which was easier but still, not the most powerful of beasts.

Just make sure you use waterproof bags (see other threads on camping etc.).

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PostPosted: 10:27 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

Not if you get the older F650GS - that's a single Rotax unit IIRC. The modern stuff is twin cylinders upright (hence BMW's F designation).

You are correct - since 2008 for the twin I believe.
However, if he has issues with vibrations at 80mph on his z750, the single cylinder F650GS is most definitely not the one for him! Massively worse I'd reckon at doing 80mph generally.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine was really smooth at 80mph, the vibrations only really became noticeable at 90mph+.

If your just doing road mileage though there are better bikes out there.


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PostPosted: 12:00 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:48 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need 900 diversion cheap to buy very reliable and shaft drive.Built for the job Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 18:37 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:

Im thinking at maybe looking at the baby R1200GS, the 600 version? I believe its the F650 GS Laughing

Personally, don't really see the 'point' of the F650GS. First off, might as well get the F800GS - they use the same engine.

But, unless you're planning to do off-roading, I'd stick to something with 17" wheels. If you're are planning to go off-roading, get the KTM Adventure instead as it's overall better.

If it's just the vibrations though the pegs, how about looking at some pegs with rubber coated tops, presuming yours don't have these.


Well id really like to use the Z750 as it saves me investing in another bike, the Z is quick and lightweight and loves eating up the twisties but I would have to sort the vibration through the pegs and the wind issues at 80mph +, if I can get them sorted il be planning my cruise around europe soon Laughing

do you reckon rubber coated pegs will help?
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:

do you reckon rubber coated pegs will help?

Would be a good start. A lot of bikes have rubber coatings on the pegs for that reason.

However, I'd also consider checking to see if there's anything wrong with the bike - I wouldn't expect that sort of issue from that engine.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loose engine mounts maybe?
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidewinder wrote:
Loose engine mounts maybe?


What sorta life span do engine mounts have? the bikes only done 8300 miles..

its really only noticeable above 70 and makes my feet numb above 80 if I ride for too long like it on motorways..

incidently ive looked at the pegs and there rubber mounted already!
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:
sidewinder wrote:
Loose engine mounts maybe?


What sorta life span do engine mounts have? the bikes only done 8300 miles..

its really only noticeable above 70 and makes my feet numb above 80 if I ride for too long like it on motorways..

incidently ive looked at the pegs and there rubber mounted already!

Ain't got a clue to be honest still worth checking there tight.Tire condition/balance apparently is a cause for this as well..
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What sorta life span do engine mounts have? the bikes only done 8300 miles..

its really only noticeable above 70 and makes my feet numb above 80 if I ride for too long like it on motorways..

incidently ive looked at the pegs and there rubber mounted already!
Ain't got a clue to be honest still worth checking there tight.Tire condition/balance apparently is a cause for this as well..


Yeah ok, are engine mounts easily accessible to check for tightness then? its not something ive delved into..

I can get the wheels checked for balancing tbh, can a car place do this? I think that would be a good idea as ive seen what this does to a cars steering wheel so it would make sense for it to affect a bike.. tyres are still in good nick.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can check wheel balance your self - get a rod held between two chairs or similar to spin the wheel on.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just had chat with the brother inlaw with the same bike.His does it as well but at high revs in 2nd/3rd gear at high speeds.He resolved the issue by purchasing some softer soled boots he got a pair of sidis which have nearly cured the problem.Hope this helps you a little. he did say something about getting the balancer shafts adjusted Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 13 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidewinder wrote:
...he got a pair of sidis which have nearly cured the problem....

Or maybe a set of the gel or shock absorber or whatever insoles in existing boots may help. Could be useful too if touring as you might find you do some walking in bike boots (even if you intend not to!).
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

considering a trade in for a Thundercat now guys, good or bad idea Laughing

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PostPosted: 22:28 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scrap that, in one evening ive realised id be a fool to let the Z go and not pursue a way of making it touring friendly, it does everything else I need after all..

So im gonna try gel inserts for my boots, im gonna try one of these universal screens made by MRA for naked bikes..

gonna get myself a vango halo 200..

need recommendations on a sleeping bag that will do all extremes.. and soft throw over panniers with matching tank bag for sat nav..

Also what do you guys wear on tour, atm im wearing dainese leathers and I have a waterproof suit for down poors, I do however have textile waterproof suit so maybe I should bin the leathers and just take that.. so in short, leathers or textiles when touring??
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 15 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:
...a sleeping bag that will do all extremes....wearing dainese leathers and I have a waterproof suit for down poors,... so in short, leathers or textiles when touring??

From my experience (and also see some of the camping and touring threads) best bet is a 2 season bag with a silk liner. You're not going to be touring on a bike in winter. If you want to do that then IMHO you do need proper professional kit (like the Long Way Round stuff).

As for clothing I'd go for textiles and go for layers. A lightweight jacket and trousers. I swear by the one piece rainsuit however the trick is to stop and get it on before you're in the middle of the downpour.

Friends of mine were touring in France on the bike. Nice and warm so effectively in T-shorts and shorts. Then they went through the Alps and froze. So don't underestimate the kit, hence using layers of clothing.

Just my experience and thoughts. There are lots of other advice out there. Need to really build up your own experience.
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