Question for the advanced riders...

[map]

You understand you can 'make progress' on the bike. i.e. overtake when safe, can use hatched areas, filter, etc.

You must also comply with all speed limits.

So you're following a car doing 55mph ish on a NSL single carriageway road. You come to a straight section with a blind bend at the end. No oncoming traffic atm, no side roads/junctions, no farm traffic, it's a clear road ahead.

You calculate in order to blip past the car in the shortest distance you'll stray over the 60mph limit.

So the question is: Do you overtake?
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[DrDonnyBrago]

It depends on who is teaching you.


If you are being taught by IAM, you are advised to use the height advantage of your high horse to slowly clamber over the top of other motorists.

You get bonus points for taking a hivis dump on the bonnet of the car or if your horse has ABS and a BMW badge.

[Themightyimp]

I'm not an advanced rider.But.I had a ride out the other weekend with a cop biker.His attitude was if it's safe go for it.Get passed as quickly as possible and then reduce your speed back to the NSL.(if it's safe to reduce speed,as no dick head car driver following you closely)
Although he did say that car cops might not like seeing it.
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[jjdugen]

That kind of road you describe is the happy hunting ground of speed enforcment cops. Always do a scan ahead. Scan the car too, make sure it has no double internal mirrors, or uniform type clothing on the ocupants. If nothing looks untoward, get past in the shortest time.
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I have done 'advanced riding' with IAM as well as been to a bikesafe day.
In both cases they said "stick to 20s/30s/40s/50s - so basically do what you want in delimited sections providing it's safe.

Was amusing riding down the A40 at a good bit over the speed limit with a police bike just behind - with other riders/drivers being a bit concerned/confused about what was going on .
Said police rider I'd estimate also did about 75 in a 50 at one point - "being assertive", but overall seemed to be a bit of hypocrite/rude rider.

If your situation was a 50 limit, from what they say at least - in both situations you wouldn't overtake if you couldn't do it safely without going over 50.

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[sidewinder]

When i done my assessment i was told it's ok to stray over the posted 60 mph limit whilst passing as long as you return back to the limit when you pull back in.That was from a police instructor

[willis1337]

What G, map and sidewinder said. However, if you have any doubt do not overtake. Consider the what if's - eg what if there was a speeder coming round the approaching bend, would you still do the overtake? Could you get past or drop back, and move onto your side of the road before any chance of a collision?

Personally I do not worry about the speed of an overtake if I'm in a NSL, accelerating up from 60mph. I just want to get past as quickly and safely as poss. Also ensure you give enough space between you are the vehicle you're overtaking and have other options if anything unexpected happens (right gear etc).
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[NeiljohnUK]

[killa]

If the car is doing 55’ish as you say, the car’s making decent progress, if the road is long enough of course overtake but if you’re thinking you’ll nip in before the end of the road and just before the blind right hander you’re a prat.
This also depends on what you’re riding. I’ve had riders over take me and the car in front in a similar scenario to your description, they quickly realise their mistake and just about make it passed before having to turn into the corner.
If you have a powerful bike then you can blip it to 70 in less than two seconds and back down safely in time to commit. If you get caught doing this for a section of road where you are considering the blind bend at the end, it doesn’t matter what advanced course you’ve been on, you’re going to get done.
Why is this a thread?
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[Polarbear]

Agree with G in that keep withing the speed limits up to NSL.

When all is said and done, exceeding the speed limit at any time is an offence. Yes, a copper would have to be an utter C**t to do you for it, but there is no escape clause if he does, you will lose.
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[fozzym]

That seems a very specific scenario!

I'm not an avanced rider and would call myself a novice but I'd be thinking more about the blind bend coming up than overtaking a vehicle that doing near the speed limit.

I suppose its ok if you know the road and know how quick you can take the bend. To be honest if I don't know a road I'm happy to follow someone in a car, as long as they aren't racing then you can be happy that you won't come to any grief.

Frankly I take little to no notice of the national speed limit, I don't ride mad but why have a bike and then not use the speed some of time?

[Rogerborg]

Legally, no, there's no "get past" exception, and you can't really apply a "quod est necessarium est licitum" defence, because there was no necessity to pass, so don't do it.

In real life, come on now. If in your judgement it would be safe to get past by "straying" over 60, most reasonable people would do so... even one being Careful Now.

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[T.C]

It all comes down to making a judgement call at the time as no 2 scenario's are the same.

When I am examining and part of the pre ride briefing, I advise all candidates that 30's, 40's and 50's must be complied with, however within GLF limits there is a degree of discretion providing the speed is not dangerous or overly excessive for the conditions.

I also apply this rule when instructing.

Most traffic cops (speaking from experience of having done the job for years) is that providing it is not speed stupid and it was appropriate to the conditions, they will let it go. What they are after are those that hoon it with 2 speeds, flat out and stop.

But that also has to be balanced against the jobsworth who would book his own mother and as mentioned, there is no devine right or statutory defence to exceed the limit even if it is just to nip past a slower moving vehicle on a quick overtake.

So it is a judgement call at the time and will depend on circumstances and what is appropriate to the conditions.
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[brythered92]

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DO NOT overtake if there is any doubt, or where you cannot see far enough ahead to be sure it is safe. For example, when you are approaching
a corner or bend
a hump bridge
the brow of a hill

167

DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users.

For example

Approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road.
Where the road narrows.
When approaching a school crossing patrol.
Between the kerb and a bus or tram when it is at a stop.
Where traffic is queuing at junctions or road works.
When you would force another road user to swerve or slow down
at a level crossing.
When a road user is indicating right, even if you believe the signal should have been cancelled. Do not take a risk; wait for the signal to be cancelled.
Stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left.
When a tram is standing at a kerbside tram stop and there is no clearly marked passing lane for other traffic.

Edit .. All in all id do as the guys said make progress where safe to do so as long as your not stupidly breaking the limit and if you do you drop back down to it when its safe to do so
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[DrDonnyBrago]

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[Themightyimp]

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Incredible how much your attitude to the Police has changed over the last few years.[/quote]

Unfortunately it is not the same job I joined anymore and at times I actually feel embarrased to even admit to having been a traffic copper for all those years [/quote]
There's still some decent ones out there,Bike cop I know has the attitude of if you're not stupidly speeding and doing it in a safe place then he's not bothered.He's more interested in the ton up boys.
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