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Fowlersrs
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Opinions on possible Trade in... Reply with quote

Im considering trading in my Z750 for something with a bit more wind protection for my european riding..

So ive seen something I like, a 97 Yam YZF600R Thundercat at my local dealers.. so heres the details tell me what u think..

My Bike:

04 Kawasaki Z750
8100 Miles
Tidy condition
Standard Exhaust & Race can options
only mods being that above and tail tidy

The dealers bike:

97 Thundercat
25000 miles
tidy condition
Scott oiler and data tool


Now the dealer is asking 2399 for there bike, what would u say the realistic value is? and what should I be aiming to get for mine..

this is the bike:
https://www.bridgemotorcycles.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&Itemid=109&id=143&bikeid=1000

They have offered me 2100 on the book on mine over the phone, I personally think I can get a bit more for it when they see it in the flesh and realise how tidy it is..

my bike:
https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/FowlersRs/IMG_0050.jpg


Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They have offered me 2100 on the book on mine over the phone, I personally think I can get a bit more for it when they see it in the flesh and realise how tidy it is..


Fuck that, they effectively want you to pay £299 for a bike that is seven years older with 17k more miles on the clocks.

Are you nuts?

In two minutes of searching I found bikes comparable to yours for at least £3k, - put it this way you could get a CBR600F4 (-ish) for that money with far less miles.

Sell it privately if you're in no hurry, then buy something else.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:
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They have offered me 2100 on the book on mine over the phone, I personally think I can get a bit more for it when they see it in the flesh and realise how tidy it is..


Fuck that, they effectively want you to pay £299 for a bike that is seven years older with 17k more miles on the clocks.

Are you nuts?

In two minutes of searching I found bikes comparable to yours for at least £3k, - put it this way you could get a CBR600F4 (-ish) for that money with far less miles.

Sell it privately if you're in no hurry, then buy something else.



This is what I was thinking, id want money back on mine tbh, bit of a piss take huh. It all boils down to insurance and what theyre prepared to give me for the bike tbh, she did say once theyve seen it they maybe prepared to up the offer.

What is a CBR6 like on insurance? not too great id imagine.
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sell the Z privately.

Buy the bike you want

Be quids in, use the extra money for insurance Very Happy

Out of interest, which dealer is trying this shit on with you?
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Sell the Z privately.

Buy the bike you want

Be quids in, use the extra money for insurance Very Happy

Out of interest, which dealer is trying this shit on with you?


The one where the bike is, I wouldnt say they where trying this "shit on" with me, baring in mind ive only made an initial phone call. unless u mean the valuation of my bike is ridiculous, I understand that dealers will offer less as they have to make money but a profit of prob 700-900 is a bit greedy I think
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can have my 2000 blackbird for that money! Laughing Certainly wouldn't be paying 2.5k for a bike of that age/millage!

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Fowlersrs
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

jay12329 wrote:
You can have my 2000 blackbird for that money! Laughing Certainly wouldn't be paying 2.5k for a bike of that age/millage!

HTH
J


What would u say its worth, this is just as important dont forget Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer euro ride, put a screen on it!
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeiljohnUK wrote:
Summer euro ride, put a screen on it!


its not just that fella, serious vibes through the pegs make my feet go numb at motorway speeds. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say your bike is worth about 2400, and the 'cat is 1200 maybe 1300.
A few on bike trader for this sort of price.

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PostPosted: 20:51 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: Opinions on possible Trade in... Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:

Now the dealer is asking 2399 for there bike, what would u say the realistic value is?


That's about a grand overpriced. They are taking the piss.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

How to buy/sell vehicles:

1) buy the new one.
2) sell the old one.

In that order. It is the only way of ensuring you get the best deal, instead of making impatient impulse buys. Unless you have some other bike/car to get around on in the interim.

If you can't afford to buy your new bike, get a loan or credit card. You can probably loan £2k for less than 10% APR which is £200 a year.

You will save more than £200 by doing this, and it is fairly unlikely that your bike will take a whole year to pay off anyway.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

jay12329 wrote:
I'd say your bike is worth about 2400, and the 'cat is 1200 maybe 1300.
A few on bike trader for this sort of price.

HTH
J


Yeah its the age thats putting me off,

other bikes im considering are;

* Suzuki GSX650F, seem to be 3-4k so maybe worth selling mine privately then investing.

* Suzuki GSF 650 Bandit, seen an 05 plate at my local decent dealer for 2750, exactly the same I paid for my bike, be interesting to see what he would give me in part ex lol..

* Or there is the older Suzki GSX750F but I think id have to go private as anything pre 2000 at a dealer seems to be vastly overpriced.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
How to buy/sell vehicles:

1) buy the new one.
2) sell the old one.

In that order. It is the only way of ensuring you get the best deal, instead of making impatient impulse buys. Unless you have some other bike/car to get around on in the interim.

If you can't afford to buy your new bike, get a loan or credit card. You can probably loan £2k for less than 10% APR which is £200 a year.

You will save more than £200 by doing this, and it is fairly unlikely that your bike will take a whole year to pay off anyway.


Is it just me that thinks that the worst advice ive ever seen Shocked . Your activley encouraging borrowing which is the first no no, alright most people take out a loan of some sort which is fair enough.. but yes I do have access to other vehicles to use privately..

In my eyes it should be sell bike for right price, IE 2.4-2.5 then look at reinvesting that money with a loan or extra cash to supplement budget.


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PostPosted: 21:10 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love my 'Cat, and I paid £1800 for a 2001 23k in very good condition with fresh MOT and Tax.

That one is a good grand over priced (look in the usual places, there are tonnes of 'Cat's for sale) and a joke for yours!
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your activley encouraging borrowing which is the first no no


If you sell your bike today, you're now in an emotionally vulnerable position - you want to get a bike soon, so you're more likely to buy whatever comes up, instead of thinking rationally.

Same deal with part-exchange. Dealers know that starry eyed look you get when looking at a new bike - so they take advantage and try to get you to give up your old one for pennies on the dollar.

Borrowing with the intention of improving your financial situation is a good thing. Just don't borrow more than the market value of your existing bike, and don't spend on anything but another bike.

The perfect is the enemy of the good - spending a hundred or two in interest is much better than giving away £500+ part-exchanging or buying/selling in a rush.

edit: If you have other vehicles, then there's no need to borrow. My point is that you want to have all the time in the world to choose - you don't want to be stuck in a situation where you need a bike this week to get to work, thus having to buy the first overpriced piece of shit you find.


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PostPosted: 21:15 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

take a look at this;

https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/FowlersRs/bikeimage.jpg

this is up for 2750 where I bought my last bike for the exact same price, 2005, 13k on the clock. Wonder what the guy would do for a part ex!
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
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Your activley encouraging borrowing which is the first no no


If you sell your bike today, you're now in an emotionally vulnerable position - you want to get a bike soon, so you're more likely to buy whatever comes up, instead of thinking rationally.

Same deal with part-exchange. Dealers know that starry eyed look you get when looking at a new bike - so they take advantage and try to get you to give up your old one for pennies on the dollar.

Borrowing with the intention of improving your financial situation is a good thing. Just don't borrow more than the market value of your existing bike, and don't spend on anything but another bike.

The perfect is the enemy of the good - spending a hundred or two in interest is much better than giving away £500+ part-exchanging or buying/selling in a rush.


Hmm I get what your saying and u do have a valid point so fair play, but what if u have a loan on the present bike to pay, I cant just keep borrowing more and more.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:
take a look at this;

https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/FowlersRs/bikeimage.jpg

this is up for 2750 where I bought my last bike for the exact same price, 2005, 13k on the clock. Wonder what the guy would do for a part ex!


Why would you wonder that? Part-ex is a perfect way to lose a good few hundred pounds.

Plenty of better bikes out there, thats a 'first big bike' with a fairing. Quite heavy and a bit boring.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:
take a look at this;

https://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b196/FowlersRs/bikeimage.jpg

this is up for 2750 where I bought my last bike for the exact same price, 2005, 13k on the clock. Wonder what the guy would do for a part ex!


Why would you wonder that? Part-ex is a perfect way to lose a good few hundred pounds.

Plenty of better bikes out there, thats a 'first big bike' with a fairing. Quite heavy and a bit boring.


Yeah the more I look into this the more im thinking I should just look at ways to improve the wind protection and vibrating pegs on the Z for touring and just make do as the Z has alot of appeal when fun riding when we get some summer ha
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fowlersrs wrote:
Hmm I get what your saying and u do have a valid point so fair play, but what if u have a loan on the present bike to pay, I cant just keep borrowing more and more.


Hadn't really considered that, I think loans when you can't afford something are a bit daft. Razz
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
Fowlersrs wrote:
Hmm I get what your saying and u do have a valid point so fair play, but what if u have a loan on the present bike to pay, I cant just keep borrowing more and more.


Hadn't really considered that, I think loans when you can't afford something are a bit daft. Razz


I guess it depends whether u mean "can afford something upfront" as I for one couldnt but I could afford something on a monthly basis, seems to be the way people do things these days.. Laughing

On a side note, does anyone know if these MRA double bubble race screens are any good?!
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 14 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

2400 for a '97 thundercat, they are having a f**king laugh, £1500 tops for that. Id recommend a tcat if you can get one though, I moved from my tcat to an 04 z750 but I feel the thundercat was better in almost every way, was faster, 750 seems to give up too early whereas tcat can power on. Massive front is ace on the tcat too.
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 15 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wholeheartedly agree that the asking price on the thundercat is ridiculous. I bought mine in really good nick with something like 18k for about £1100. However they are hugely under rated and excellent bikes excluding the woefully inadequate standard headlight and with the addition of 10W fork oil (or a 7.5 mix if you're a bit lighter) to replace the 5W standard fork oil. For this reason I am bothering to bring mine back from the dead despite owning a J1 zx6r.
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PostPosted: 01:43 - 15 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to me you're not fully in love with a new bike, so I'd use the fact you got a bike, pull up in front of all the dealers you can find that have bikes you think you might like, try them and then when you know what rocks your boat search for a good deal on one.


In my experience you want to move up on power when ever getting a new bike and for a long trip through Europe you'd be loving a bit of grunt - ever try something like an 04 or 05 Sprint ST - some of them are really cheap compared to what you get imo.
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