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The Shaggy D.A.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Stuck mixture screw Reply with quote

Put the legal exhaust on the Savage for the MOT next month, so wanted to get the mixture set right as it was running a bit lean with the straight through jobby. Problem is that it's stuck fast, won't go in nor out, and being brass is starting to just mangle up. I've soaked it in WD40, but it's not got much inset for there to be any pooling so I can leave it overnight.

Don't want to try an impact driver, so considering using an extractor. I've not got any (saw a £10 set in Maplins, looked like it was made of chocolate and is the same set you can get for £6 on eBay).

Any recommendations, or hints and tips to get a stuck mixture screw out of a carb?
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be tempted to see if freezing the carb would help to crack the seal on it.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penetrating oil or freeze and release. Don't use an extractor, they just make a mess.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone on another forum had the same problem. A strip down and overnight soak in diesel did the trick
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 18 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

1888 wrote:
Someone on another forum had the same problem. A strip down and overnight soak in diesel did the trick


In case folk do not know.. this is the same as wd40,, another name for diesel is Kerosene as used in your home heating oil (but dyed red) and also known as red diesel.. Very Happy

Its a heavy oil.

The suggestions on here so far are all worth trying but take it easy or you WILL ruin the carb. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:45 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The idle mixture screw won't solve all fuelling probs, it will only sort out leanness at idle and just off idle. Look at rejetting and adjusting the needle in the long run.
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PostPosted: 06:05 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll give it a good soak and freeze.

Temeluchus wrote:
The idle mixture screw won't solve all fuelling probs, it will only sort out leanness at idle and just off idle. Look at rejetting and adjusting the needle in the long run.


Aye, whilst the carb's off I'll be looking at what jets are currently fitted. I think the previous owner just put a straight through pipe on and backed the mixture screw all the way out instead of rejetting - it's running OK, but really pops and farts more than it should do on the overrun.

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In case folk do not know.. this is the same as wd40,, another name for diesel is Kerosene as used in your home heating oil (but dyed red) and also known as red diesel.. Very Happy

Its a heavy oil.


Diesel <> WD40 <> Kerosene Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 06:23 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Popping on the overrun is one of the few things that may be caused by the mixture screw, so worth fiddling with. Odd that it has sezied when wound out, they tend to do that when people screw them all the way in with more force than should be possibly on such a tiny brass screw.

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PostPosted: 10:23 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a bit of a rule of thumb extractors do not remove things that are siezed, especially on studs, if you can shear off a stud head etc with a spanner a much smaller diameter extractor will do nothing but snap trying to turn the sheared stud, usually if the stud or in this case a brass screw will not turn then an extractor is of no use, however, if drilling warms up said article then you have a chance, left hand drills are one of my favorite extractors, if the drill bites the end result can be the screw being wizzed out,if not you still have the hole to try the trad method.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The screw itself looks a lot larger than I'd expect of a mixture screw, in fact if it didn't have a slot in it I'd say it was a brass plug that they put in to stop you fiddling with the settings. Looking at the carb service kit though, it does look like it's just backed way out :-

https://www.nrp-carbs.co.uk/shop/image/cache/data/Suz%20KEY%202/KS-0531_1-500x500.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Are you coming to the BBQ? Always wanted to ride a Savage.


Unfortunately not Sad
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
Penetrating oil...

Can recommend PlusGas. Best I've used for freeing up bolts. Helps if you tighten first then unscrew.

Let us know how/when fixed Thumbs Up

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Budgetboy wrote:
... this is the same as wd40,, another name for diesel is Kerosene as used in your home heating oil (but dyed red) and also known as red diesel.. Very Happy

Diesel <> WD40 <> Kerosene Rolling Eyes
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Agree Diesel is not same as WD40 and that is not the same as Kerosene. Where do people get these ideas? Can I blame the (lack of) education system?
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

a test of all the top brand of loosening agents against "home made" had the supprising result of a 50/50 mix of atf and acetone being the best
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PostPosted: 12:03 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

Agree Diesel is not same as WD40 and that is not the same as Kerosene. Where do people get these ideas? Can I blame the (lack of) education system?


I do apologize. Embarassed
This is what i was told when i was 15 (now 36).
I was told its all the same and never really looked tbh.. I just use WD-40 myself as its cleaner and easier.

Just looked at WD-40 and it states NO kerosene is in it.. Black Eye

learn something new everyday,, thanks for pointing that out to me. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Budgetboy wrote:
I do apologize. Embarassed ...I just use WD-40 myself as its cleaner and easier....

Be careful with that as to when and where. WD40 contains some stuff that makes it sticky. This then attracts muck and gunk that, well for want of a better description, sticks to the sticky stuff. Now, depending where this is the muck might form a kind of grinding paste.

WD40 is ok for a quick fix and it has got a reputation as a cure all and use on anything. Just don't believe all the hype and try and use the best stuff for the job in hand. I even have normal standard old fashioned 3 in 1 oil for the odd lubrication job.

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PostPosted: 12:43 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, it is quite important that you use a close-fitting screwdriver for that screw head. I recently destroyed an internal jet by using an undersize screwdriver - my impatience cost me.

It wouldn't hurt to tap the back of the screwdriver - when it is on the offending jet) with a small hammer or spanner, as the shock may help to break up the crud around the thread.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 19 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if this would fit my carb (BS40) but bloody hell, £26 for a screw? Sheesh.

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