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 Posted: 21:40 - 18 Jun 2012  Post subject: Copper on trial for Tomlinson death |
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Copper in court on manslaughter charge.
Suprised this has not been posted yet.
What do we reckon on the outcome? I say he'll be convicted, but be given a suspended sentence. |
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The pathology isn't beyond reasonable doubt, he'll walk.
And now over to Hetzer... <dives into trench>
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In order to do their job, the police need to use force. Some people would have us believe that they can do this safely by just following their guidelines.
The reality is that its a balance between force and safety. A few years ago the police were very restricted on what they could do. Now they can punch you in the face.
As police numbers reduce, there will be more need for them to use force to maintain control.
Accidents will happen. It can be blamed on a few bad apples, but the reality, is that accidents will happen when force is used to control people.
A policeman's concern will be that the policeman being prosecuted could have been any one of them as many will use force to do their job. When someone uses force as part of their job, its going to be difficult to fairly legislate.
I think in this case, it was thuggish and unnecessary but I can understand why thuggish people are sometimes needed in the police. The camaraderie and the need to rely on others to protect you, means they will protect the bad apples more than accountants would. A police officer who testifies against is colleague is unlikely to be liked by other policeman.
It's common for policemen to think they can assault those who they dont deem worthy of respect, as the use of force becomes a casual thing.
A policeman on here used to say that you need to earn respect ie he would not treat anyone with respect until he thought they had earned it, but I think people need to be treated with respect until they have been proved to not be worthy of it.
Most people would not have died when assaulted the way Tomlinson was, but you know that if the police were investigating someone else committing the offense, they would put the blame solely on the person who struck Mr Tomlinson.
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No, I'd tell em politely to "cock off" No you wouldn't, you would get all bish bash bosh
and probably frog march em off if they didn't, How would you do that without touching them?
but if they walk away slowly If they walk away slowly then they have got off your bike nad done as they should have done. thomlinson was not moving away quickly as asked by other officers
I won't go kick em round the head. thomlison wasn't kicked about in the head. he was pushed way to forcefully
If you think walking slowly away is any kind of provocation there's summat wrong with you. you obviusly haven't come across such things in your life. i have. it is a well used tactic, used to frustate the hell out of others, if you had kids you would know the slow walk when you want them to do something quickly, just the same when adults do it.
Tomlinson was an old drunk, Got that one right dazed and confused No he wasn't but not intimidating tried to be but failed or belligerent. Oh but he was of the highest order Hardwood is a thug with previous. Agree and haven't said otherwise to my knowledge |
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I wonder, if PC Simon Harwood is acquitted, will the UK's white population rise up and riot in the same way that the black populace do whenever there is such an incident that involves a ''brother'' 
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| Skudd wrote: | | daemonoid wrote: |
No, I'd tell em politely to "cock off" No you wouldn't, you would get all bish bash bosh
and probably frog march em off if they didn't, How would you do that without touching them?
but if they walk away slowly If they walk away slowly then they have got off your bike nad done as they should have done. thomlinson was not moving away quickly as asked by other officers
I won't go kick em round the head. thomlison wasn't kicked about in the head. he was pushed way to forcefully
If you think walking slowly away is any kind of provocation there's summat wrong with you. you obviusly haven't come across such things in your life. i have. it is a well used tactic, used to frustate the hell out of others, if you had kids you would know the slow walk when you want them to do something quickly, just the same when adults do it.
Tomlinson was an old drunk, Got that one right dazed and confused No he wasn't but not intimidating tried to be but failed or belligerent. Oh but he was of the highest order Hardwood is a thug with previous. Agree and haven't said otherwise to my knowledge |
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He was battoned across the leg then shoved to the ground. Have you seen the vid? I linked it above.
I think you confuse the harm/trespass in your messing with my bike scenario with a slight annoyance. It really isn't acceptable to assault people for a slight annoyance. And to claim someone deserves it as you have is ridiculous. That's even accepting the 'fact' that he did it to annoy the cops, the reports so far have all said he was just pissed.
I keep saying it, but I really don't understand how you think the most minor piece of disobedience means he deserved it. We don't even know that he was told to move away at a certain speed. Plus Harwood covered quite a bit of ground to get behind and strike the man with his hands in his pockets - I urge you to look at the video!
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He was battoned across the leg then shoved to the ground. Have you seen the vid? I linked it above.
I think you confuse the harm/trespass in your messing with my bike scenario with a slight annoyance. It really isn't acceptable to assault people for a slight annoyance. And to claim someone deserves it as you have is ridiculous. That's even accepting the 'fact' that he did it to annoy the cops, the reports so far have all said he was just pissed.
I keep saying it, but I really don't understand how you think the most minor piece of disobedience means he deserved it. We don't even know that he was told to move away at a certain speed. Plus Harwood covered quite a bit of ground to get behind and strike the man with his hands in his pockets - I urge you to look at the video! |
We all looked at the numerous videos at the time, what you don't seem to grasp is that I do not condone the actions of the police, but I also can see how Thomlinson tried to wind others up with his actions and that he was not the squeaky clean hero/victim he is made out to be.
I can see how you are getting all irrate over the matter and putting what you think has been said/implied and getting all angry about it..................... just like the copper did, how ironic.
It was done to death when it happened, Johny come lately like yourself need to chill out. first it was the copper would never be identified, then it was nothing will ever come of it, then it was it would never go to trial, now it is justice will not happen. well it looks like the system is working as it should do. Takes all your thunder out of it doesn't it.
Thomlinson was doing the go slow protest thing, the copper went OTT to make him hurry up. The guy a short time after died. the things that need to be looked at are, did Thomlinson have any health issues prior to this and was he a walking time bomb waiting to drop? Did the coppers actions cause the death of a healthy male or did the actions trigger the time bomb that was waiting to happen? WE don't know all the facts, so WE can only slap our chops. Some like yourself in anger, just like that copper. Others wait to see what comes of it when all the facts come to the table.
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| Skudd wrote: | We all looked at the numerous videos at the time, what you don't seem to grasp is that I do not condone the actions of the police, but I also can see how Thomlinson tried to wind others up with his actions and that he was not the squeaky clean hero/victim he is made out to be. |
I think you may have forgotten then, try having another look at my link above. You claim not to condone the actions but then say that the guy brought them on himself, your two claims do not make sense.
| Skudd wrote: | I can see how you are getting all irrate over the matter and putting what you think has been said/implied and getting all angry about it..................... just like the copper did, how ironic.
It was done to death when it happened, Johny come lately like yourself need to chill out. first it was the copper would never be identified, then it was nothing will ever come of it, then it was it would never go to trial, now it is justice will not happen. well it looks like the system is working as it should do. Takes all your thunder out of it doesn't it. |
I'm not irate or angry at all, I'm not going to do anything to you - I am happy to continue to debate it while I'm compiling though. I am however confused by your two conflicting arguments.
I think public outrage at each point was the thing that pushed the case this far.
Oh, and I was in some of the older discussions, dunno what you're getting at with the "Johnny come lately".
| Skudd wrote: | Thomlinson was doing the go slow protest thing, the copper went OTT to make him hurry up. The guy a short time after died. the things that need to be looked at are, did Thomlinson have any health issues prior to this and was he a walking time bomb waiting to drop? Did the coppers actions cause the death of a healthy male or did the actions trigger the time bomb that was waiting to happen? WE don't know all the facts, so WE can only slap our chops. Some like yourself in anger, just like that copper. Others wait to see what comes of it when all the facts come to the table. |
Doesn't matter whether the guy was a ticking time-bomb, there's an egg shell skull principle type ruling in the UK.
As you've mentioned angry again, I'll add I don't know what makes you think I'm angry. I'm certainly not angry with you, just think you're wrong. In fact I've been the one professing taking the higher ground and not assaulting people which seems to be expected/excusable behaviour to you.
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