CBT, Last minute Checklist.

[FantasticMrFo...]

I have my CBT renewal booked for tomorrow, This time around I'll be using my own bike.

As money is very tight and I don't want to loose £100 I wan't to be certain I have everything I need and wont get turned away before I even get started.

So what will I need to take with me?

I have ready;
both parts of my provisional,
my insurance document,
my current CBT certificate,
lid, gloves, boots, textile jacket and trousers
both L plates. (Had to get a new one for the front for the CBT, all though it will most likely "Fall off" Straight afterwards.)

Have I forgotten anything?

[pendulum]

I think you've got it covered but I wouldn't let the front L fall off afterwards, the offence is driving otherwise in accordance with a licence which is pretty bad and yes I've actually see them impound someones bike for it (VERY harsh, but they can do it).
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1998 CG125 (Sold) CB500 [+ Clio 172]
Usually_Wrong: I tend to fail more than pass. [Speaking about Theory Practice]
Usually_Wrong: im on unemployment at the moment

[FantasticMrFo...]

[Teflon-Mike]

Added to the sight only this morning.... how prospit.... prosf..... fuckit... halpful!

Tell me more about CBT?

What Do I need to Have before CBT?

But I think you have it covered; you might need to show MOT cert if bike needs one; check your kit is to giuidelines and & give bike a 'once-over' to be sure its not got any glaring faults the instructor cant over-look when taking you out on the road, like white light from stop lamp, slack chain, bald tyres or a broken blinky-cator.

Other than, good to go.
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[FantasticMrFo...]

Mike, Is that your website mate? It make for some interesting reading, I especially enjoyed the history to the modern test part on the CBT page

I do have a question regarding the new laws that will be introduced in january though.

Are they doing away with the CBT and being able to ride with L plates or is the 1st restricted licence just the first step up from that?

It's very well worded on that sight, yet I'm still slightly confused about it all (Creature of habit me, don't like change all that much lol)

Is it basically saying when my CBT runs out (Which will be 2 years from tomorrow) I can't re-sit a CBT or drive unsupervised on L plates, I'd have to take one of the 3 full A licences to be able to do that?

TBH that is my intention, money permitting I'd like to do my DAS before this CBT runs out. however if I can't afford to, I'd have to stick to doing yet another CBT in order to get to and from work etc.

Does it also mean that If I couldn't afford to do my DAS, and settled for the full licence that would entitle me to ride my 125, I would HAVE TO wait 2 years before doing the next test? and then wait another 2 year before doing the 3rd?
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Women are the cause of ALL accident's, If it isn't because one has run you off the road, it's because you have spent too long checking her out and driven up the arse of the car in front!
That or she's parked on an island, on a bend, leaving a gap even an anorexic couldn't fit through sideways!

[Teflon-Mike]

Your guess is as good as any-ones.
The Dept of Transport have been very unforthcoming, revealing actual details of whats going into the parlimentary bill, we HAVE top pass in order to comply with Eu 3rd Directive 'treaty' laws.
They were supposed to produce a white-paper 'draft' of the bikk for public consideration nearly a year ago! Never happened, & they have issued only a couple of memorandum 'proposals' or suggestions as yet to test the water.

FACT: - Unsupervised L-Plating on provisional, is NOT included within EU Law.

Not ONLY is it 'not included' in the EU Law, actual wording of EU Law, WOULD imply that it is 'against' EU Law.

SO.. if we get the 3rd Directive laws directly translated into UK Statute AS worded in 3rd directive, without exceptions or caveots...

3rd Directive laws come into force January 19th Next year....

So on that date, you would PROBABLY only be allowed to ride even just a 125 on L-Plates if under supervision of an instructor, your CBT would be essentially 'worthless' you would, plain & simple NOT be able to ride on your own on L's.

However, they have stalled, dallied & vasilated.....

and it is a 'politician's promice' that we 'will keep L-Plate provisions'....

Take that how you will. They dont say how long they will keep them, or WHO will keep them....

Come Jan 19th they MAY simply say; Sorry, any-one with a CBT can carry on riding on that CBT until it expires..... after that you wont be able to ride until you have a full licence.

They COULD in contravention of EU Directive 'maintain' current L-Plate practice under a local exemption IF they write it into the bill....

since we dont even have a draft of that bill yet

WE DONT KNOW.

Yeah... Jan 19th you might NOT be able to carry on riding until you have past a test..... but then again, you may.....

Pays your money - takes your chances
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[FantasticMrFo...]

[Teflon-Mike]

[FantasticMrFo...]

You certainly raise some valid points, the first being that I should have taken the restricted licence when I had the money to do so, when I first brought my bike and got on the road, the restriction would be up by now, I've always regretted that decision.

The reason I've not done my full licence, be it restricted or otherwise so far is due to finances, I've not had a job for a considerable amount of time (nearly 2 years) due to an accident I had on my 125 (which also knocked my confidence greatly and I've only just got back to feeling as confident as I did when I first got the bike (Maybe more so as I'm more experienced now))

I guess I feel I need my DAS rather than a restricted licence is because, all though I probably wouldn't get a bike much bigger than 33bhp anyway, at least I could, I could ride around on a 250 until money permitted me to get something bigger, I guess that's why, I want the reason I'm on a smaller bike to be on my terms, not because I have to by law. (Stupid really) I also feel that within 6 months, I'd be craving something a bit quicker and would have to fork out to do my DAS to lift the restriction anyway, why not just do it to start with.

Again, that said, my financial situation won't permit me to get a big bike anyway, let alone insure that and keep my 125 on the road (I love the little thing, brought it brand new and intend to keep it for around town and commuting until it dies) so doing my restricted licence does make more sense. It would be cheaper short term, will permit me to keep my 125 on the road indefinitely and I wont have the hassle of the law changing on me (If the new law does prevent me from driving on L plates)

The more I think about it, the more sense doing my restricted licence makes. I don't want a bike capable of doing 160mph, just something capable of around 90mph, making cruising at 70mph easier on the bike and more comfortable and something I can take a passenger long distance on (Something my 125 couldn't handle) so realistically I don't need anything more than a 250.

at the very least, it'll buy me some time. I wont have to worry about the changes in January, and if I do feel I want something bigger before my restriction is up and money permits, I can do my DAS.

so that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to sit my restricted, do the test on my own bike to save money and get a 250.

after seeing my best mate pass his DAS, buy a 2012 CBR600F (cost him around £7k) then bin it at 20mph when he hit some diesel and have to fork out £3k for the repairs, It does make me think he was stupid for spending all that cash!

Thanks for putting it so bluntly mate, it really made me think about it from a less childish "BUT I WANT THAT ONE :'(" point of view and think more practically about it.
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Women are the cause of ALL accident's, If it isn't because one has run you off the road, it's because you have spent too long checking her out and driven up the arse of the car in front!
That or she's parked on an island, on a bend, leaving a gap even an anorexic couldn't fit through sideways!

[Teflon-Mike]

[FantasticMrFo...]

Just got back from my CBT, I say that, it was more like mod 2 training than CBT, as both me and the other feller who was taking the CBT with me drove up on our own bikes and took the test on them, the instructor knew we could ride and that we are both looking to do out full licence and helped us out on that, whilst giving us a certificate at the end of it.

we took the 2 hour drive as a mock mod 2 with tips and pointers, I'd have failed in this instance for 3 things, Driving too close to parked car's (was supposed to get as close to the centre line as possible whilst being safe, but was more worried about on coming traffic that stationary vehicles) stopping at traffic lights with my wheel slightly over the line and driving too slow (27 in a 30).

other than that I did well, and it's all easy enough to sort out for the real thing.

When I enquired about the full licence I was told 2 days training (one of which would have the mod 1 the same day) and 3 working days later my mod 2.

when I enquired about the price I was told £499 for the 2 days training, the mod one and the mod 2 slot.

now here's the thing that confuses me a little, If I take my restricted test on my own bike, it'll still be £499, If I use one of their 650 BMW's and do my DAS, its still £499 :/

why would this be? surely doing my restricted on my own bike should be cheaper, or are they trying to encourage me to get on a bigger bike and stop being a wuss?

Now I really got on with the instructor today and think that its a good school over all, but should I shop around for somewhere cheaper, stick with who I know or sod the training all together and just book myself in for the tests?

I do like the idea that 2 days training and my mod 1, given that I pass that I'll have my mod 2 3 days later and could have my full licence within a week, If I did it off my own back it would take longer and I guess I'd stand a higher risk of failing for not having had the formal training.

what do you think mike?? Are the school trying to squeeze me for every penny or is it worth it for the increased chance of a pass 1st time (if I pay out for the tests myself and sit them on my 125, I'm more likely to fail which will cost me more in the long run, plus I'd have to wait 2 years for the restriction to be lifted, If I go with the school I'm more likely to pass and will do my DAS, seems daft paying the same for a restricted when I could have my DAS instead)
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Women are the cause of ALL accident's, If it isn't because one has run you off the road, it's because you have spent too long checking her out and driven up the arse of the car in front!
That or she's parked on an island, on a bend, leaving a gap even an anorexic couldn't fit through sideways!

[Teflon-Mike]

Do you have £500?

That is the real question.

Instructor has treated your CBT as an assessment (while complying with what they have to for CBT rules to give you your cert. {Mod 2 is 45 minutes, CBT demands at least 2hrs Element E Road Riding})

He reckons that two days is 'enough' so he's probably not far wrong; BUT there is NEVER any grantee.

Why same price whether you use your own bike or thiers? Fairly simple answer, to that; its the schools 'economics'. They have to maintain the 'fleet' irrespective of whether you use it of not. So in thier accountancy, they have factored in the cost of school bike to the general hourly / day rate of training, and that's how they price themselves.

Its not uncommon; some schools, if they have 'spare' or 'part-time' instructors they can call in can work the budgetiung elsewise, and can work bike hire more 'independently' to boost income charging specifically for the bike hire, or discounting lessons if you dont need it.

So you MAY turn up two days of training more cheaply using your own bike, if you were to shop around.

£500 isn't good or bad pricing; take off, £90 for the test fees....

REMEMBER: You need Your THEORY/HAZARD first, thats not in the price!

So you are paying £200 a day training... which give or take is middling money. £30 per hour is about the norm, so £120 for a 4Hr half day £240 for 8hr full day... take out an hour for lunch and round to nearest convenient number? 7hrs £200 about bang on.

School Reckon that you are there or there abouts, and could pass Mod 2 with a 'little' dressing.....

So, no doesn't sound like they are trying to milk you...... sounds a pretty 'fair' and straight suggestion.

Back to Top.

DO you HAVE £500?

If so, and you reckon its worth it... go for it.....

BUT, quick caution: As Roger is so fond of saying; you cant pass test on a lesson, but you can learn on a test.......

Two Days of DAS will NOT be upping your skill-set a lot, it WILL be test-technique and DAS-Bike familiarisation.

Get your theory/Hazard done, and 'self-book' tests under 'Standard-bike' rules.....

You get over five clear 'cracks' at both tests for that price, before you have spent the £500 of the DAS course....

If you DONT have £500..... its a no-brainer!

Book under tiddler rules, ands JUST get it done!

£15.50 for Mod 1 you can pay for that out your lunch-money, I'm sure! Book one a week till its in the bag!

Mod 2, soon as you have the cash after..... and again.... if you fail, lot easier to save up £75 than £500.

Quickest way to the licence; and AFTER?

THEN you have options. CBT cert will not bee wasting away. 3rd Directive deadline not an issue. You have the licence 'in the bag'. And in 2 yeares, restriction falls off whatever happens.

Meanwhile, you can get a bigger bike, IF you want.

Nothing stop you taking 'Further' training after tests, infact often a good idea.

Nothing stopping you putting in for Accelerated Access, IF you really want to loose the restriction.

AND costs wise, spred out, pressure off and NOT all in a much bigger deal...

BUT here and now, the important bit; BAGGING the licence, just 'done' and done for what you CAN afford, without breaking the piggy.

So..... Do you HAVE £500?
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My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?'

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