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PostPosted: 22:02 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Sweating on my first ride on my YBR125 Reply with quote

After the rain finally stopped. I went to my friends house and took out my newly purchased 2009 YBR.

Gave it a good clean out and a quick polish with Mer on the nice shiny bits.

I usually ride a comfortable twist and go (less things to think about), but with my impending A2 licence test to do in a couple of weeks time, i thought that if i got a little 125 to practice on, I could spend more time during my training making sure I am near perfect to pass without having to think about riding.

Well........ I turn the key, put it in to neutral and start her up, let her tick over for a few minutes and turn her off......no problem.

Next, time to get astride.

Kick the side stand up, bike starts rolling backward, pull the front brake. Squeeze the clutch in and start her up. Put it in to gear and ride up and down a couple of times.

Next time i try starting her up, i do the same, neutral, push button, then clutch and into first........ the bike just keeps cutting out.....whats the problem now.......oh kick the side stand up!!!!

Now i'm sweating like crazy.

I just feel as I'm not riding as efficiently as i could.

Problems i found was i couldnt judge where the biting point was, when changing gears and releasing the clutch it was jumping a bit. Not sure when to change gear (am i revving it too much) so on and so on.

Is it just practice i need or shall I wait for the training in a couple of weeks time? I feel as if i'm a danger on the road to other users, ie stalling due to clutch control.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just practice. You'll learn where your bite point is, just keep engaging first rolling forward, pull the clutch back in and rinse & repeat.

You'll need to practice to make the most of your lessons later on, how else will you get your bike there, unless you're using the schools?

Just let he clutch out slowly, 125s rev high anyway, but again you'll learn to hear when you can engage or change gear.

Practice finding your bite point, it'll come.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Bruce said, all you need is a bit more practice.

It's all a bit hard and alien at first, but within a week you'll be wondering what you were fussing over Mr. Green

Practice, practice, practice.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Practise makes perfect as they say.


It might be a good idea to see if there is another rider who you can go out with, watch and learn and see if you can pick up good riding habits. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paris2 wrote:
Practise makes perfect as they say.


It might be a good idea to see if there is another rider who you can go out with, watch and learn and see if you can pick up good riding habits. Thumbs Up


I wish I knew any other riders within my circle of friends.

They are all either too sensible to get on a bike 'cos they is dangerous' or just too scared, or the Missus wont let them get one!!!
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BruceT wrote:

You'll need to practice to make the most of your lessons later on, how else will you get your bike there, unless you're using the schools?.

Practice finding your bite point, it'll come.


Yes i decided that I will use the school's one. That way if i break it someone or drop it, i'm covered Embarassed
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

clutch control can be a nightmare - but just take your time, and practice Smile

when i first got my bike, i was stalling a good once or twice (some in busy traffic Embarassed)

it was your first ride on it, just be patient with yourself Smile
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all become second nature
I've been riding for just under two weeks & everything seems to just click into place Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The clutch can be a mare to start with but eventually you just kind of remember where the bite is and you'll start just hitting that out of practice.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clutch control, clutch control and more clutch control!!! I agree, more and more practice.

What kind of revs should i be looking at when pulling off. With driving cars, it roughly about 1500 to 2000 when releasing the clutch slowly. Is it the same for a bike or a lot more?
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just twist the grip to about 2 or 3k revs gradually release clutch untill you feel it start biting,Then gradually release clutch and add a few more revs.
Do it all gradually untill you learn to feel the bite points.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Themightyimp wrote:
Just twist the grip to about 2 or 3k revs gradually release clutch untill you feel it start biting,Then gradually release clutch and add a few more revs.
Do it all gradually untill you learn to feel the bite points.


Thanks

That gives me a starting point, then i guess it will just be a case of seeing what feels right once i've got comfortable with that.

Today it just seemed as if the bike was screaming at me before it wanted changing gear.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

parv1 wrote:
Today it just seemed as if the bike was screaming at me before it wanted changing gear.

Sounds about right.
Dont know which twist & go's your used to but remember, many of them will have fixed drive or very limited 'variable' ratio and they will basically engage early and stay engaged riding on the 'clutch' on a tall ratio, the variator if it has one only changing that a LITTLE as you reach the peak power revs or roll off the throttle.

Bike with gears has five distinct raio's, and each one will probably halve the gear reduction between wheel and crank, so you will accelerate from 0-20 in first reving to around 10,000rpm, before shiftiung up, knocking revs back to around 5K revs to accelerate from 20-40, and so on up through the box.

You can probably 'short-shift' early from 1st to 2nd, at maybe as little as 10mph, becouse bike has enough power to pull that speed at 1/4 revs.....

Ie you accelerate from 0rpm/0mph to 5000rpm, 10mph, and engage second knocking revs back to 2,500 rpm, barely off tick over, and can then accelerate to 20mph, where you'll be pulling 5K revs again, but short shift to 3rd THEN and revs will be knocked back to 2,500 and at that speed unlikely to have enough power to not bog...

So the 'earliest' shift point will go up the rev range as you go up the gears if that makes sense....

But engine note, with direct drive WILL be unusual...

Auto-cars to manuals are the same; the 'note' doesn't change as much as the engine stays at a much more 'fixed' engine speed, but the 'pitch' changes as it loads up, with an auto, manual both change as the revs increase....

Just ride it and get used to it.

BUT you DONT need to be constantly working the gear-bos, DONT be tempted to keep changing up and down JUST becouse the bike will pull the higher gears at lower speed... use the revs, get used to them.

20/30mph roads you can libe in 2nd maybe 3rd you dont HAVE to keep stirring the box, and DONT do the 'Learner-Lurch' changing down to first before a stop or junction, let it roll up in 2nd, smoothly THEN do your shift down to first for the take-off after.

Go find some-where 'quiet' and have a play.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learner Lurch.......did that today!!

How do you guys remember what gear you are in?
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

parv1 wrote:
Learner Lurch.......did that today!!

How do you guys remember what gear you are in?


We DONT!

Sometimes we guess right... but most of the time we go by 'feel', if the engine is screaming we are in a low one, labouring we are in a high one!

I lie.... we do sort of keep track, and its made easier by NOT being a newb constantly clicking up and down thinking because we HAVE a gear-shifter we HAVE to do something with it!

Dont 'over-think' what you are doing, GET A FEEL for the machine and go with it....

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PostPosted: 23:47 - 24 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
parv1 wrote:
Learner Lurch.......did that today!!

How do you guys remember what gear you are in?


We DONT!

Sometimes we guess right... but most of the time we go by 'feel', if the engine is screaming we are in a low one, labouring we are in a high one!

I lie.... we do sort of keep track, and its made easier by NOT being a newb constantly clicking up and down thinking because we HAVE a gear-shifter we HAVE to do something with it!

Dont 'over-think' what you are doing, GET A FEEL for the machine and go with it....

Stop Thinking - Start Riding!


Liar Liar pants on fire....... lol Very Happy

Well i'll be out on it again tomorrow so will report back if there have been any developments. Thanks for the clarification guys.

Greatly appreciated
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PostPosted: 07:39 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

parv1 wrote:
How do you guys remember what gear you are in?


When in towns where you'll be in a reasonably low gear I tend to go by feel and sound, after a little bit of practice and getting used to what the bike can and can't do, you'll get a real feel for what gear is needed at what speed in different situations.

On NSL roads I tend to count in my head as I accelerate up through the gears because even after 2 years of owning this particular bike I still have the habit of trying to change up a gear when in top. Also, when slowing down for junctions or roundabouts I tend to count down as I shift down. I still get it in the wrong gear at times.

Remember you'll never be perfect, no one ever is, but it will get far easier for you very quickly.

Good luck Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You won't pass the A2 by having a shiney bike. Wink Less time polishing & more practice time with the clutch, as others have said practice is king for this. The more you do it the easier it'll become, find a carpark/somewhere quiet & take you time getting the 'feel' of the clutch. It will also give you the chance to practice slow speed stuff, manouvres etc. Best of luck with the A2. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know on a 125 I felt it was always screaming at me when I was revving to find the bite so I always worried about lowering the revs to shut it up. Bad idea because I just kept fluffing it up. I got told at the school that I could rev the nuts off it if i was more comfortable and to just get used to the noise.

Perhaps your clutch problem could be helped by adjusting the lever a bit? So it's towards the ends of your fingers that have the control over the biting point of it rather than towards your palm. Supposed to be more sensitive to finer movements at the end of the fingers so it MIGHT help you be a bit more smooth through that part of the clutch?
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh good times Thumbs Up

Just ride it around streets your comfortable on, get used to slow riding with traffic too, was a bit of a trial by fire for me going straight into the daily commute

It's awkward and tricky at first, but once you've got used to it you'll be loving it in no time!
You'll soon be getting the pegs down Wink

I very muhc doubt you need to adjust the clutch cable as others have suggested, just be gentle with it and get to know it, I stalled constantly on my first day or so, try not to over think it aswell!

YBR is very forgiving, just make your you ram the gears in from 1 to 2 as it loves jumping into neutral
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember you're having to teach your brain a new set of co-ordinated reflexes, and train up various muscles to do new precision tasks. It will all come together in time, and sooner than you think.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

parv1 wrote:
Learner Lurch.......did that today!!

How do you guys remember what gear you are in?


When I re-took my CBT yesterday, the instructor told me he wanted to see me block change (slow down to a stop in the gear you're in, then change them all down at once, rolling forward slightly on the clutch if it wont engage the gear properly)

Now I personally don't like to do this as I use the engine to slow me down, kind of like my 1st brake, but that said, for someone who had an automatic and is struggling to get used to gears, try that for a while, you'll then only have to worry about changing up gears to start with, once you have the hang of that, then work on slowing down through the gearbox.

As fir the remembering what gear I'm in, I don't, Ive got used to the feel of how the bike behaves in each gear, which is something that will come in time and miles, I still pull away in 2nd or 3rd occasionally when I forget what gear I'm in, but I wouldn't worry about it YET if I were you. get used to how a manual feels different from an auto first, the rest will fall into place as you gain more experience.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of this comes with practice. Remembering what gear is very easy when you get used to it. I rarely think i'm in a different gear than i am, and know exactly what my bike sounds/feels like in each gear.

You'll find with practice you'll also be able to jump onto any bike and just go. You'll be able to feel where the biting point is and you'll be accustomed to it in no time.

As for pulling away, any revs will do it, it depends how fast/efficiently you want to pull away. I can roll slowly at 1500 revs, or i can be stupid up to 16,000 and throw my bike down the road (not usually advisable).

If you were closer i'd be more than happy to come give you a confidence boost, and take you on the back of my bike to get you really sweating!
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Day 2 of practicing the clutch Reply with quote

FantasticMrFox wrote:
parv1 wrote:
Learner Lurch.......did that today!!

How do you guys remember what gear you are in?


When I re-took my CBT yesterday, the instructor told me he wanted to see me block change (slow down to a stop in the gear you're in, then change them all down at once, rolling forward slightly on the clutch if it wont engage the gear properly)


So again went over to my friends house which is where my bike is parked.

Took it out and tried the block change. It works to a certain degree, i found myself slowing down and when I thought it needed changing down i kicked it down. Seemed to work ok so far.

I felt a bit more comfortable this evening and less sweaty Embarassed

Thanks for all the advice and guidence. Dont think i would've tried it this quickly again if you guys hadn't guided me to practice practice practice.

I'm still having trouble finding neutral sometimes.

Also had my first fill up. £6.75!!!! lol woohoo. Full tank too.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 25 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Troy_ wrote:
If you were closer i'd be more than happy to come give you a confidence boost, and take you on the back of my bike to get you really sweating!


Awww thanks mate, but i'd probably be even more worried and sweaty if i think someone is now watching me make a twat of myself Razz

Back of you bike........i'll bring a towel lol!!!!
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