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sidewinder
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: And the latest from pistonheads is Reply with quote

Protesting bikers blocking two lanes of the motorway Very Happy
Pistonheads Very Happy


A quote: Absolutely selfish, actively disruptive law breaking 2 wheeled retards Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG! He was held up for an entire HOUR AND A HALF! Jeez! Shocked

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PostPosted: 19:13 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: And the latest from pistonheads is Reply with quote

And another one:
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I automatically HATE anyone who has to inconvenience others to grab attention


Sounds like an average oblivious cager to me. Doesn't give a toss about reasons behind the blockade and gets furious because of what he sees. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
OMG! He was held up for an entire HOUR AND A HALF! Jeez! Shocked

Confused


He drives a car.. shouldn't he be used to sitting in traffic? Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I totally agree with the cager.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I totally agree with the cager.
Prepare for a flame wave... -grabs popcorn-
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, causing this kind of disruption is not what the protest was meant to be about. I took part last year and there were too many knobs causing trouble for my liking. If you want the sympathy of other road users for your cause then obstructing both lanes is not the way to do it.

People can't be controlled so this will happen, but he's pissed off, and imo hes got every right to be, let him vent.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I totally agree with the cager.


Room for two on there?

I agree to some extent, in as much as I'd be pissed off if I was held up for an hour and a half because someone was protesting something of no discernible importance to me.

Put it this way, if I was trying to get home from work, knackered at the end of the day and a load of people on horses blocked the road for an hour and a half in a tribute to heroic martyr, Kenneth Pinyan, then I'd be a bit miffed.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Mc wrote:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I totally agree with the cager.

i agree. we would all be pissed of if we got held up.
This sort of protest doesnt help anyone. It just makes all bikers look bad and doesnt bring anyone to side with us.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to see his point, how pissed off were we when the petrol truckers threatened to pull a petrol strike? Most of us certainly didn't give a shit about their cause but were rather annoyed at the outcome.

That said, most seem to realise that Europe wont be content with messing up 2 wheels and they'll coming for them next.


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PostPosted: 20:02 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 Cager had a good answer Very Happy

"Consider how you'd feel if the EU brought in a law which meant you could not fit any non standard parts to your car, including non OE spare parts, which is effectively what the EU are proposing."
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erm...

The first protest was pretty bad as people did block the entire motorways. This time they didn't. The protest was done on a Sunday, when people generally don't have to be at work etc.

Where I was on the M3, there was actually very few bikes and the cars were passing with ease.

I don't see the issue really.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite simply:

No.

The entire point of a protest is to inconvenience people.

That is how you get people to listen.

As long as there exists a coherent goal.

The French Revolution was probably rather inconvenient too.

Perhaps they should have given the populace a look in, before it had to get to that stage.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Re: And the latest from pistonheads is Reply with quote

I'm not convinced that the form of the current protests is really the right method.

Does inconveniencing random people like this really make people care about your cause?
If I was to inconvienence people, I'd prefer it to be the people that mattered - for instance (not taking sides in this here) but when there was regular protesters at AWE it made sense - they were inconveniencing the people doing the work they disagreed with.
If they'd decided to drive around some roads slowly; people would have just been confused really.

Seems to make even less sense than the nay-sayers.
At least they could use the argument, "well this is what it'd be like if we all drove cars/took the subway" as the French have done.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the point is more that it is a way of broadcasting to the public at large that oppression against minorities is not on.

If it came down to a referendum, the general public would probably vote in favour of almost any new restriction on motorcycle use. We're not that popular.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe it's mostly about MAG showing that they can cast Summon Biker Mob at will, in order to get a seat at the big boy table.

Over at the NoToBikeParkingTax forums, one of their neckbeards is trying to get that lot to knock off their Trafalgar Square blockades for much the same reason: just to show that they can.

But too many chumps obviously still didn't get that the idea was to create a "What's all that about?" spectacle rather than a ball-ache.

It probably is counter-productive, but I think it's marginal either way. The NoToMob and their $scamera car hunts have a far better campaign: directed, effective, fun, popular.

One ray of light is that a few posters did notice that if it's bikes today, but it'll be chavmobiles tomorrow. And I will laugh, oh how I will chortle, when it's their turn to be hog tied over the Brussels barrel.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 26 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i still fail to see why the EU has to impose THIER laws in OUR country.

i mean okay, we're supposed to "be a part of the EU" but that does not translate to "We must adapt all thier dumb fuck laws"

that cager was probably having a bad day and needed to rant.

if you asked them politely and on a decent day they will probably turn around and say something like "well in all fairness i understand and sympathise"

bad days + internet forums brings out the worst in people.

also, someone remind we why we joined the eu please? i mean no bloody good has ever come of it, im pretty sure the euro currency is still failing to bring to the table its primary "features" and lets face it, all they do is fuck stuff up for other people.

bunch of big wigs around a table in a nice fancy room with air conditioning counting notes from tax payers and discussing how to screw you over next while the servants serve them caviar and other nasty ass stuff that should be banned
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 27 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was quite impressed to see that the majority are fairly supportive and get the point that they're next...
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 27 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

One ray of light is that a few posters did notice that if it's bikes today, but it'll be chavmobiles tomorrow.


I posted on PH saying that.
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 27 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dilligaf_NO wrote:
i still fail to see why the EU has to impose THIER laws in OUR country.

i mean okay, we're supposed to "be a part of the EU" but that does not translate to "We must adapt all thier dumb fuck laws"

Well, yes it does in this case.

However, there's also benefits to this. It means you can go to other parts of the EU and expect something not too far off the same minimum standards you can expect here for a wide variety of things; such as the curvature of your banana Razz.

And, a hell of lot of good has gone from the trade we get through the EU.
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PostPosted: 02:42 - 27 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love this reply

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I saw something similar yesterday on the M8 heading east. Luckily I was heading west, but didn't have a clue that it was a protest. Surely the point of a protest is to make the public aware of their plight? I think most would have assumed it was the usual Sunday biker's ride out, although on a larger scale.


It is true as well, if you are not informing people why they/you are riding all together then what is the point of it. Just sounds like a big old jolly to go riding with more bikes.

Protesting is supposed to get the message out and to get other people to join you, MAG Question for instance getting the attention of the users on piston heads or similar forums. Putting it simply enough across that today it is us that are being affected tomorrow it will be you (seriously how long do you think it will be before the regulation comes in that affects other vehicles).

The reason protests don't work anymore is almost everyone is out there supporting for only the problems that affect themselves. If you don't stick up for others then who will be around to stick up for you. Unity and not divided if it was me organizing it I would of tried to get other "Specialized vehicles into the march". At least that way it would of been more noticeable and potentially grab headlines.
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 27 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it speaks volumes that the majority of bikers didn't even know about the MAG protest this year.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 27 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
Quite simply:

No.

The entire point of a protest is to inconvenience people.

That is how you get people to listen.

As long as there exists a coherent goal.

The French Revolution was probably rather inconvenient too.

Perhaps they should have given the populace a look in, before it had to get to that stage.


No

The point of a protest is to raise awareness and to gain public support. The people who are meant to be inconvenienced if anyone are the politicians.

There's a difference between being heard and being listened to.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 27 Jun 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of protests are done through London, say.

However these at least give the opportunity for big placards and the like.
I suspect the majority that saw the recent ones had no idea what it was about - probably coming to the conclusion that bikers are irksome generally.

Was this organised by MAG again?
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