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 weasley World Chat Champion

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 Posted: 10:08 - 29 Jun 2012 Post subject: Biking getting safer...? |
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Looks like bikes are bucking the trend in terms of road deaths in 2011. We're either getting out less, getting more defensive or bouncing better. ____________________
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whilst its good the number has dropped from the previous year its still 19% of accidents made by 5% of the vehicles on the road. its still huge.
but, any drop is a good thing
i would actually venture a guess its partly down to the poor weather this year. we havent had that proper summer that the '6 monthers' come out of hiding and throw themselves at the scenery. ____________________ CBR954RR - Daily toy
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surely they don't realise that now there is no point in anybody 17-19 paying for their tests, and therefore paying for no training or swatting up on road laws. CBT doesn't even come close to covering all of this, so realistically we're going to have a lot more 125 riders not knowing how to be fully safe. well done DSA! Fucked everything up again! I'm glad I've got my licence sorted.....
Edit: Wrong thread  ____________________ Ybr 125 > Bandit 650SA > GSXR 600 > Triumph Sprint St1050 > CB1300 > Z1000SX + FJ1200 (written off) > VFR750 >FJ1200
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Yup, it's hardly a huge leap of faith to go ahead and put that down to fewer fast rural miles thanks to rotten summers.
I'll chase it up later, but it'll be interesting to see how that compares to the "serious injury" figures. Kills are down even though sales of commuter 125s are up quite sharply.
It's only another hop and a skip of faith to pin it specifically on weekend heroes getting rained off, or Born Againers sodding off the sportsbikes and getting onto Ewan-and-Charliemobiles instead.
Well, good on us, we should enjoy being on the high horse for a change. all round to everyone else. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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No, I don't think it is.
Take one example. My work colleague followed me for half of the journey to work the other day which was a good 15mins (I was on my bike), at one point I turned around to look at him and waved...
We got to work, he followed me through the automated gate and parked up.
Later when we caught up, I asked if he worked out who it was, after I'd waved at him...he said "I didn't even see a motorbike on my journey to work this morning..." Now that's fooking worrying!!!!!  ____________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter won't mind - Dr. Seuss |
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| Clanger wrote: | No, I don't think it is.
Take one example. My work colleague followed me for half of the journey to work the other day which was a good 15mins (I was on my bike), at one point I turned around to look at him and waved...
We got to work, he followed me through the automated gate and parked up.
Later when we caught up, I asked if he worked out who it was, after I'd waved at him...he said " I didn't even see a motorbike on my journey to work this morning..." Now that's fooking worrying!!!!!  |
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with a limp an a wonky eye, would you remember? ____________________ ......................................................................... |
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| kernow24 wrote: | | Clanger wrote: | No, I don't think it is.
Take one example. My work colleague followed me for half of the journey to work the other day which was a good 15mins (I was on my bike), at one point I turned around to look at him and waved...
We got to work, he followed me through the automated gate and parked up.
Later when we caught up, I asked if he worked out who it was, after I'd waved at him...he said " I didn't even see a motorbike on my journey to work this morning..." Now that's fooking worrying!!!!!  |
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I know I wouldn't, but I'd certainly remember if someone asked "did you see that Audi A4 at *Insert place here*? I remember Types of vehicle rather than the occupant driving it, same should be said for cagers. ____________________ Women are the cause of ALL accident's, If it isn't because one has run you off the road, it's because you have spent too long checking her out and driven up the arse of the car in front!
That or she's parked on an island, on a bend, leaving a gap even an anorexic couldn't fit through sideways! |
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Maybe the best thing I have seen you post. With all the deaths from more pertinent problems, it does make you wonder why they are so vehement with regards road statistics. ____________________ Honda Varadero >> Triumph Speed Four >> Honda CBR1100xx |
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| c-m wrote: | To be honest i have no idea what you are talking on about.
Probably nothing to do with me stating that a research a sample of just 50 (people per break) is usually enough to report on. |
Ok, that's the problem...
The 1900 are not the sample (or 'break' as you call it). They are the answer...
The sample size for this is every road user in the UK, the response being died / not died. Assuming 1/2 of the population drive/ride you have very roughly a 1901/30,000,000 response of died.
Now, let's say you compare 2 samples of 50 and found that the response to one of your yes/no questions in the first sample was 1 yes vs 49 no. In the second sample it was 2 yes vs 48 no. Would you think that was odd? No, the statistical significance of the difference is very low.
When we compare two yearly samples or 'breaks' 1901/30,000,000 to 1850/30,000,000 there again is very little significance to this result, just as in the above example.
I'd recommend you take a look at statistical significance as well as regression to the mean, both will help you evaluate stats a lot better. Also, volatility would be interesting to you...
The fact that you (ONS?) use samples of 50 is quite scary, the responses could be massively influenced by the quality of the sample, at least you do multiple samples to help mitigate that...
I used to write 'monte carlo' sims for slot machines, volatility is very high on slot machines so we would have to run with very large samples. I tended to run 10 random samples of 0.5% of total population before I even handed it off to the testing department who did much more thorough simulations. ____________________ current: ducati monster 750
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There are somewhere north of 37,000,000 licensed drivers in the UK.
So that's a 2.76% rise in deaths (OH NOES!), and less than 0.00014% increase in your chances of dying (OH... k). ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 14 years, 93 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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