Lost keys and honda

Villers · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Sep 2004 Karma :

Lost the only key to my honda cbr600 yesterday. Priced up the parts today and total over 500 for all in. Isnt that great. Honda dont keep records so another key cannot be purchased.

Does anyone have any experience with this? Im happy to hear from the criminal element on how this thing is 'sorted' by the pros. I read in ride that an accomplished theif would have no problem with this so why has honda and the local garages.

any help would be greatly appreciated.

and i know its my own fault before anyone says it.

dsa_instructor · Derestricted Danger Joined: 07 Oct 2004 Karma :

is it an ordinary key? or a transponder key, i.e is it immobilised as standard when you bought it, if so then its a transponder key, you need the barrel the key and the cdi unit changed, which will cost 500, if it is not a transponder key, any bike shop can supply a barrel and key costs about £70. i hope that helps, and no im not a criminal. Wink

8316 · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Karma :

has it got the HISS thing?
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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

The bike can be started by hot wiring it and I assume that if Honda offered that as a suggestion you wouldn't be very keen on it. The steering locks can be broken and again I don't think you'd have liked them doing that.

If someone on here found out "Honda keep records of our keys, if someone broke into the show room they would have details of what key to get and where I live!!" and everyone would be bitching about it.

You can pick up a lock set from breakers for lots less than £500 and that's what I'd have done.

fazed · Korn is my hero! Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Karma :

If it has H.I.S.S you should have a little piece of metal on the original key ring with a code/number on it . You can then take this to a dealer (honda obviously) and get them to make another key , cost's £70 a key mind you .

If this bit of metal is lost it's proberly new set of locks etc .
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Sadie · World Chat Champion Joined: 14 Jul 2004 Karma :

Try taking off the ignition barrel and bringing it to a locksmith. This happened to me several years ago and the locksmith was able to sort it for a helluva lot less than £500.

Alternatively, see if you can find a mate with a key that fits. You might be surprised how common this is.

At one point in my MAG group we had three bikes (a Honda CB650 import, a Honda CB500 and a Yamaha XV535) that all started on the same key.

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ZRX61 · Victor Meldrew Joined: 05 Nov 2003 Karma :

& get 2 keys made, not one.....

Then ya put the spare key behind one of the indicator reflectors so it's always with the bike. Wrap it in tape so it doesn't short out the bulb tho...
Lot easier to find a philips screwdriver than a locksmith when ya loose a key....

dainesefreak · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Apr 2003 Karma :

I think you're missing the point, if it's a newer Honda it will have H.I.S.S. As DSA pointed out you need the barrel changing as well as the CDI unit, there's no point taking it to a Locksmith as it's a transponder key so it still won't start without bodging the electrics.

As Fazed pointed out, you should have a metal tab with the number on so that you can get another key made, even though you have lost both of them.

Villers · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Sep 2004 Karma :

Thanks for the help guys, ive spent another day researching this and I think ive got to the bottom of it. Honda have assured me that the only way to get a replacement key for the HISS system is to take an original to them and they can use their computer to copy and program a new one. I got the bike second hand so only have the one key, so this is not an option!!

You guys are right, I need the new ignition. Breaks down as the ignition switch (£155 from honda) and an ECU (or CDI £272 from honda) and the jury is still out on a receiver unit (£78 from honda). There is an option of matching the locks for my tank and seat to the new key (£122 from honda). Add all that up and its no laughing matter!

I phoned yet another breakers today and the guy has the full working set he just removed from a 2000 FX like mine. He will let me have the lot for £250. Guess I can't argue with that.

Also the guy from honda told me that when i get a new HISS and keys that to get a copy I have to....

Buy a key with a chip in it from them (£15)

Take it away to be cut to the original (?)

Bring it back and have it programmed from the copied key (£20)

So for the sake of getting off my arse and spending £35 I've been landed with a massive bill. Lesson learned!

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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Villers · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Sep 2004 Karma :

Well after a week I think I've cracked it. After reading much literature it seems that the ignition switch and transponder for the immobilizer are in fact general parts. i.e a new ECU can be bought separately and used with a different ignition switch and transponder. Luckily I have another key for the bike without a chip in it. If I buy a brand new ECU (pricey but bear with me) it comes with a couple of keys. Now, because I have a copy of the original key I can use this as a template for the new keys to be cut. Once this is done I just need to install the new ecu, put a new key with a new chip (and cut to my original barrel) in the ignition and the ECU will program up to two keys for me.

This costs me the price of two cut keys (tenner I think) and an ECU (£272)

The second hand kit from a breakers (once he finds it) costs £250, including barrel, transponder, ecu, keys, locks for the boot and the petrol tank.

So although the new ECU works out more cost I can keep all my original locks, have no labour costs and a brand new part.

What do you guys think? Does it sound feasible? Thumbs Up

ZRX61 · Victor Meldrew Joined: 05 Nov 2003 Karma :

AcIdBuRnZ · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Jul 2003 Karma :

Yeah but during that 15 minutes your warmonger of a President has decided what country to invade next Rolling Eyes

Bad luck on losing the key mate - are you sure your mates aren't just having a great laugh watching you panic!!!??? Laughing

On a serious note - I'd be more worried someone has the key and goes around trying to start every Honda bike they find - better hope they don't try yours. I hope it's garaged.

One thing you've not mentioned - I assume you've checked in with local cop shop? Might've been handed in - you'd be gutted if you spent that £500 only to find it's waiting for you down the road! Always worth a try...

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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Well if someone who wanted to steal your bike knew that they could find your keys behind the one of the lenses then they'd take them all off until they found it, and if lots of people starting doing it then bike theives would remove them just to see if the person who had parked that bike was stupid enough to leave their bike key for someone to nick their bike with.

They couldn't just hot wire it if you've used the steering lock but those just require breaking with a bit of force.

We do use steering locks here as well, the reason you lot probably have less bike thefts is because anyone who is seem looking at someone elses bike is shot on the off chance they were going to nick it so all bike theives have been killed.

15 minutes chaining a bike up? Well if it takes them 15 minutes then they're either putting lots and lots of chains on their bike or making it much harder than it actually is.

I find it quite hard to believe in the last 15 years you have heard of just 4 bikes being nicked. Confused

Does everyone having "overwhelming firepower" not make you slightly on edge when walking around in public knowing that nearly everyone is armed? Confused

ZRX61 · Victor Meldrew Joined: 05 Nov 2003 Karma :

Villers · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Sep 2004 Karma :

Tried the cop shop, the council everybody mate! Still gutted but I've got her booked in with a Honda dealer in lancaster to do the above mentioned work. The guy said that normally its not the known thing to do but they had done it before and could help me out. Bill comes to £418. Not cheap but less than changing the barrels etc etc. The local dealer refused to acknowledge that the job could be carried out so balls to them. breaks down as

ECU £272

Couple of keys cut etc (a lot for a couple of keys)

Transport from whitehaven to lancaster (£50) thought that was ok

An hour or so's labour

On another note the bike is garaged (in an alarmed garage), with various locks on it and its even chained to my aprilia! Will be glad when it all gets sorted. If it was possible to hot-wire it I would be chuffed but as the ECU controls the fuel pump on the receipt of a valid code it cant really be done.