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PostPosted: 17:06 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was his fault, there are no costs to your "side". Confused

His insurance co will make you an offer any time now. Be prepared to ring them and haggle cos the first offer is likely to be a joke.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, they are under no obligation to sell you the wreck after you accept their settlement. Many will offer you a price to buy it but once you settle, the bike is theirs to do with as they wish. Its probably easier and more profitable to actually sell it to the claimant but it's not a given.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, can someone clarify this for me

1) someone runs over your bike
2) you claim the bikes value on faulty parties insurance
3) THIER insurance then owns the bike
4) you may get to buy YOUR bike back

is that right?
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dilligaf_NO wrote:
sorry, can someone clarify this for me

1) someone runs over your bike
2) you claim the bikes value on faulty parties insurance
3) THIER insurance then owns the bike
4) you may get to buy YOUR bike back

is that right?


You get a chance to buy the bike back. when the Ins. co. gives you payout the bike becomes theirs.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You get a chance to buy the bike back. when the Ins. co. gives you payout the bike becomes theirs.


why? i mean its the other persons fault, i dont see why you should have to loose the bike/buy it back.

if someone writes off your bike, you should be given the payout and the bike. not have some thieving insurance company offer to sell your own property back to you.

another reason insurance is a complete and utter joke i suppose
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike got written off (other party at fault)

Insured at quote for £900
Inspection value £800

Buy back was 10% (may vary on different insurance companies)

So I bought the bike back for £80 and got paid out £720.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

still seems like the victim in accidents like this get penalised
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dilligaf_NO wrote:
Blackwolf wrote:
You get a chance to buy the bike back. when the Ins. co. gives you payout the bike becomes theirs.


why? i mean its the other persons fault, i dont see why you should have to loose the bike/buy it back.

if someone writes off your bike, you should be given the payout and the bike. not have some thieving insurance company offer to sell your own property back to you.

another reason insurance is a complete and utter joke i suppose


How is offering you back the salvage a rip-off? If they offer you pre-accident market value for a written-off bike then that's fair, and the bike becomes their property because they have paid you market value for it.
If they offer you the salvage at a fraction of the pre-accident value you get to decide if you think it's a fair deal or not - also fair enough. They aren't under obligation to offer it and you're not under obligation to accept.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How is offering you back the salvage a rip-off? If they offer you pre-accident market value for a written-off bike then that's fair, and the bike becomes their property because they have paid you market value for it.
If they offer you the salvage at a fraction of the pre-accident value you get to decide if you think it's a fair deal or not - also fair enough. They aren't under obligation to offer it and you're not under obligation to accept.


its nothing to do with offering the salvage. its the fact the bike becomes thier property despite the fact that some dumb tard trashed it.

the way insurance works is backwards, imho the individual causing the damage should pay for it.

the insurance should make the initial payout and then is repaid to the company by the person who caused the damage.

this wouldnt apply to legal/life cover but the damaged bike shouldnt by default become thier property. the point of insurance is so your covered from damage. well im sorry but if someone fucks my bike i'll take the damn money for the damage but no way is anyone getting thier hands on it. even if it means going outside of insurance.

if you dont buy it back you can garantee the company makes a pretty peny on the salvage in usable parts.

actually, i'd quite like to see how much income the companies generate from selling salvaged bikes to breakers ect. bet its more than people think
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dilligaf_NO wrote:
the way insurance works is backwards, imho the individual causing the damage should pay for it.

the insurance should make the initial payout and then is repaid to the company by the person who caused the damage.



So you not only get the value of the bike you also get it repaired no matter how much it costs.....

And people are complaining how much ins is rising......

Think about what you are saying....
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
So you not only get the value of the bike you also get it repaired no matter how much it costs.....

And people are complaining how much ins is rising......

Think about what you are saying....


no, i didnt say you get both,

i said you should get your bike back (in the condition resulting from the accident) and the payout. if you choose to repair it fair enough.

but im also saying that the person who caused the accident should have to repay the payout to the insurance company.

which would probably drive insurance prices down if anything as they dont take such a massive hit from payouts resulting from damage claims

1) dude runs over your bike
2) insurance pays out
3) you get your bike back and payout
4) dude who ran over your bike pays the insurance company the payout amount (probably in the form of a % of the amount ontop of the premiums)
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dilligaf_NO wrote:

actually, i'd quite like to see how much income the companies generate from selling salvaged bikes to breakers ect. bet its more than people think


Let's break it down with hypothetical figures...

You pay a premium of £500
You insure a bike worth £5000

You crash

You're paid out £5000 and decline the offer of £4500 plus the broken bike
They scrap the bike for £500

You're £500 down (cost of the policy)
They're £4000 down (cost of the settlement, less salvage, less premium you paid)

Insurance companies never win when they're paying out*. It's people who don't crash who lose out.

*Caveat: unless you pay more for insurance than the bike's value, I guess.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dilligaf_NO wrote:


the way insurance works is backwards, imho the individual causing the damage should pay for it.

the insurance should make the initial payout and then is repaid to the company by the person who caused the damage.


That's not insurance - it's credit.

You pay the insurance company to cover losses you might cause to a third party. The insurance company take a gamble on the risk vs reward of covering you and come up with a premium for taking on that risk.

That's the whole concept of insurance and whilst I wouldn't have been as rude as Bluex5 I was actually thinking something similar.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

possibly, but something tells me its not as clear cut as that.

i mean, if insurance company broke down salvaged vehicles for parts they'd probably be able to recover alot more. but then that takes time, resources and effort.

meh, i still dont like the idea of them keeping your bike when some idiot trashed it.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i mean, if insurance company broke down salvaged vehicles for parts they'd probably be able to recover alot more. but then that takes time, resources and effort.


How much will they make after they have paid all the different people to transport the bike to a facility, strip the parts, clean them, store them, secure them, advertise bits that might never be sold then dispose of the rest legally? Not to mention the corporate liability of putting used parts back into circulation. If a part failed then a single payout could wipe out five years 'savings' for them?

What works for a small back-street outfit doesn't necessarily work for a corporation.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
That's not insurance - it's credit.

You pay the insurance company to cover losses you might cause to a third party. The insurance company take a gamble on the risk vs reward of covering you and come up with a premium for taking on that risk.

That's the whole concept of insurance and whilst I wouldn't have been as rude as Bluex5 I was actually thinking something similar.


while thats true, many policies have life/legal cover as well. but i'd still think it better if companies did this instead. and while it is technically credit, its still cover able as insurance.

but if it insurance was covered like that, what would you rather?

lower premiums in say a 3 year period where you dont have to claim or anything and save that money. then pay for damage YOU caused when you do screw someones vehicle up, or pay higher premiums all your biking life and not have to pay anything when you damage someones car/bike?

considering the first option could save you more (or cost you more if your a bad rider/driver lol)

also, fair enough to thinking it but cudo's for not being as pointlessly rude as blue.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahadumball wrote:
What i don't get is how they told me its too expensive to fix.

afaik its cosmetic, if its cosmetic why can't they fix it?

They are saying like..

cost to fix £200 value of bike £600, we would rather pay out £600 and keep bike making a loss still.

id rather have it repaired tbh but meh, ill ask them what was wrong with it when they phone back.


as them for a second independent opinion. im pretty sure its within your rights to do so. and if they recon its cheaper to fix then voila.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imagine if you crashed in to something expensive. Are people supposed to sell their homes, organs and children in order to cover it?

Yeh it's fine if you do £200 of damage to someones bike, most people could cover that. If you smack in to something like a top of the range car like a porsche, maserati or something like that and it's declared a total loss would you be expected to pay the £80-90,000 back?

You may as well not bother having insurance at all, and just pray you don't crash or sell every single possession if you do.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 03 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dilligaf_NO wrote:
but im also saying that the person who caused the accident should have to repay the payout to the insurance company.

which would probably drive insurance prices down if anything as they dont take such a massive hit from payouts resulting from damage claims


So what is the point of having insurance then ? If YOU have to pay.....

Do you have any idea on the average ins payout for damage/repairs on their own ??

Bet it's well into the thousands....
Could you afford something like that ????? Rolling Eyes
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