UK war on Drugs is a failure, but we will carry on with it

[oldpink]

when will they realise they can not and will not win
they spend millions every year on there stupid "War on drug's"
every year they admit its not working but they keep on the same path

[Tenko]

The dibble have given up in our area. They let kids take whatever they like at the local skate-park, the idea being that if it goes on there it is contained. This is coming from a DCI friend of my wife's, so I believe it.

What I really object to is kids selling drugs at may eldest's high school and the school/plod not doing anything about it. I don't mind adults taking drugs in the privacy of their own homes or in a field or wherever (face it, who hasn't?), but ffs keep it away from my kids!!!!!

[pendulum]

Ken Clarke, I wish he'd just fuck off and let someone with a clue get on with it. Anything will fail if HE is put in charge of it.
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[The Artist]

I think going to war on drugs would be pretty cool

[oldpink]

[Tenko]

I agree, just don't try to sell it to my kids.

[The Artist]

[oldpink]

I totally agree about Kids
it should be treated like booze 18+ the site I run (canna site) runs a strict 18+
my 17 yo has tried it but no way is he allowed to smoke it in front of me
my other son 21 does smoke, but he works in a hydro shop and didn't smoke till after he was 18
my daughter is strictly No to drug's of any kind
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[RPM]

Hi

A big part of the problem is the current stance of the ACMD who seem to believe that their primary role is to point and shout whenever any new drug appears, this regularly happens despite the absence of any real evidence or research.............unfortunately they still have some credibility, mainly due to the sacking of David Nutt.

The result is a plethora of banning orders.......which of course, does nothing to stop demand or supply (in whichever order you like). In my experience this is probably the best way to create a market and profits, which just provides another target to waste money on...................your money.

In many respects the behaviour of politicians and heroin dealers are not that dissimilar when viewed from the perspective of monopoly and greed, they have inadvertantly developed a symbiosis which facilitates a farcical coexistence.

I don't know what will happen if the current demand for heroin in Russia increases, ie: less heroin for the UK (reduced transportation costs and risks). However I would expect the ACMD etc to be busy looking for replacement headlines very soon.
I doubt that they will want headlines associated with zombie style pic-nics though.

I am continually underwhelmed by the politicians who, upon advice, still try to convince anyone who will listen (Daily Mail et al) that heroin and crack are the biggest problem in the western world

The war on drugs is one of the govt's favourite ways of ensuring that the public don't get many opportunities to look a bit further upstream and consider the role of poverty, deprivation etc etc, not least because none of these issues can be directly blamed on Afghanistan, Pakistan or for that matter, Columbia .

I have seen more young and not so young people refusing to waste their time seeking out glucose with a bit of smack in it, instead they are moving towards synthetics and some of the more obscure hallucinogens......at least they seem to work.

I suspect that policy will change, but only when the treatment and pharmacy machine (including PHE and the NTA) has got itself geared up to be able to cash in on the future possibilities .

atb

[mr jamez]

last time I read about Portugals liberalisation of drugs it was going pretty well, quite the opposite of what people like Ken Clarke believe.
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[Barnaby]

Recreational drugs laws are a classic example of how crazy & fucked up the world really is.

Nothing has ever made more sense to me than the 'free heroin' theory.

They spend £millions on (allegedly) trying to stop heroin entering the country. Why not just go out & buy the worlds supply of poppy crop for a few £100 000's direct from the farmers?
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[Tenko]

If you are old enough and sensible enough to make your own informed choice then thats fine - grow your own and smoke it by all means.

As for the chappie who said he has sold loads but never 'tried' to do so, fair enough again if thats true and it hasn't involved kids who don't have the common sense to resist peer pressure. Trouble is, teenage boys in particular don't have the ability to reason and will buy stuff if people like this chap make it available.

I'm going through the concerned parent bit at the moment with an experimenting 14 year old and an 11 year old going up to 'big school' in September. Neither lad has the perspective to see what can happen if they get involved with any sort of narcotic, and I include legal ones in that definition. One of the 14 year old's mates has been arrested recently for posession of weed and MCat, and prior to his arrest this lad had been trying to persuade my kid to try them. Now he is fucked. My lad isn't.

Like I said before, do what you want but not near my kids....

[oldpink]

educate kids about it, don't treat them like fools and just tell them "Its Bad"
I talked to my kids when they went to high school about the subject
as its most likely there first experience
also my kids came to stay with me in Amsterdam from 13 - 14 years old
so they knew about it from an early age but were informed with facts not the party line

kids will always experiment, we all did in one way or another its human nature
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[Tenko]

I agree with you - we've had many chats about drugs - my eldest in particular is well aware of the upside and downside of many substances. I've been honest with him - in my youth I loved my speed and acid, in my 20s I liked to go out on a pill and lots of people I know still like their marching powder. I've had friends get seriously fucked up and a couple die as a direct result of illegal drugs, not to mention those who can't breath properly due to tabs and can't function without a drink. I'm trying to be a parent rather than a friend who says its ok to play Russian roulette with immature, developing minds.

I know my kids will experiment, and that they will have as much information as I can give them along the way. They will call me a hypocrit but I can live with that. What I won't do is encourage them along a path that could easily lead to psycosis, addiction, a criminal record and ultimately prison or death. I won't preach to them though despite my concerns as that is counterproductive.

Each to their own, but as I said before, not near my kids!!!

[J.M.]

[oldpink]

I can't be a hypocrite and I am happy with what I did myself as a youth
as it made me what I am today and I'm pretty happy with that
I smoke but hold down a good job and have a reasonably comfortable life
my kids are good kids that I don't get grief from apart from the usual teen issues (own room etc)

because I smoke myself I did not encourage them to follow me they can make that decision on there own
and I can live with that as its there decision (as it was mine) to make at that age
and I have no regrets on my own personal choice all those years ago
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[mistergixer]

I'm in agreement with Peter Tosh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=088FEHzCnQ0
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[Tenko]

To oldpink - How you feel about your kids is entirely your affair, as is how you feel about yourself and your own life choices - as I said, each to their own... Life doesn't come with a 'best practice' manual and we all need to enjoy our time here as best we can.

I'm merely stating that drugs can fuck you up, and I don't want them as part of my kids lives. What they do as adults is up to them.

[daemonoid]

Someone already beat me to the Portugal links, so here's an argument that started on Fox news and then went viral when a Dutch guy responded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8bc_ZyORbM

The war on drugs is yet another stupid waste of money. Politicians should avoid anything with the word war in it unless it's a last resort.

I mentioned 'the wire' a while back, it was based on real events. The police set up a mini Amsterdam in Baltimore (with no official backing) which reduced crime, reduced use and generally great effect. Can't remember whether the real version was in Baltimore or some other US city, but it showed it worked in the US too.

<edit> ignore the US city bit, they based it on stuff from around the world.
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