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matlow
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Mis Fuelled :( Reply with quote

like a complete buffoon i stuck Diesel in the bike. So used to filling the car up i was just running on auto, noticed after around £4 had been pumped in, instantly stopped and brimmed the tank with unleaded. no joy, got to the edge of the forecourt before the bike sputtered to a halt.
All i can say is god bless the haines manual, drained the tank, emptied the inline fuel and pump, brimmed it with unleaded and the bike lives!!

happy days, my only question is whats the possible long term damage if any??
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

why didnt you drain it first when u realised?
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

none, well, I did it to mine about 10k miles ago and haven't noticed anything amiss.

I'd be tempted to drain out the float bowls as well, and let it idle (like a tractor) for a while before you go out on it.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://drjimsthinkingshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/haha1.jpg

Lol sorry, but a few litres of diesel and you topped it
up with petrol..
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be fine. Don't worry about it.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your problem is you cage too much. If you ride more you will put petrol in the diesel cage, and the cage will still run.

Now get out out of the blerry cage and get on your bike. There are enough cagers. They don't need you to swell their ranks.
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matlow
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernow24 wrote:
https://drjimsthinkingshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/haha1.jpg

Lol sorry, but a few litres of diesel and you topped it
up with petrol..


No Worries, i did something similar to the car but in reverse about 5 years ago, put a tenners worth of petrol in the car at the time, brimmed it with diesel and had no issues. remembered the old tales of people putting petrol into a diesel tank to ease cold starting back in the day before diesel was the modern concoction it is now.

hence the fact i thought the same might work on the bike. difference being i guess the total size of the tank.
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Kradmelder
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

matlow wrote:
kernow24 wrote:
https://drjimsthinkingshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/haha1.jpg

Lol sorry, but a few litres of diesel and you topped it
up with petrol..


No Worries, i did something similar to the car but in reverse about 5 years ago, put a tenners worth of petrol in the car at the time, brimmed it with diesel and had no issues. remembered the old tales of people putting petrol into a diesel tank to ease cold starting back in the day before diesel was the modern concoction it is now.

hence the fact i thought the same might work on the bike. difference being i guess the total size of the tank.


difference is a diesel can run on about anything. When there was no diesel available in northern ghana we ran diesels on kerosene for the helicopters. Mixing petrol oin with diesel also is fine. The diesel will run rough, but will run.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

[\quote]

difference is a diesel can run on about anything. When there was no diesel available in northern ghana we ran diesels on kerosene for the helicopters. Mixing petrol oin with diesel also is fine. The diesel will run rough, but will run.[/quote]

fair enough, every days a school day. i like the idea of running a car on avgas Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth I probably would have brimmed with petrol and hoped for the best as well Wink
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kradmelder wrote:

difference is a diesel can run on about anything. When there was no diesel available in northern ghana we ran diesels on kerosene for the helicopters. Mixing petrol oin with diesel also is fine. The diesel will run rough, but will run.


Diesel and kerosene are very similar... infact turboshaft engines fitted to jet cars often run on diesel. Aircraft diesel (piston) engines, certainly modern ones, are often dual-rated to run on diesel and Jet A-1. One major difference is diesel lubes well, jet fuel not so well, so it won't lubricate pumps etc the same way they were designed to be by the diesel fuel.

Like you say though, diesel engines will run on a lot of different hydrocarbon fuels, particularly the longer-chain oily ones, and blends of different ones.

Cooking oil can be used easily on older diesels, but modern high pressure injection systems like the common rail often have problems with that. A 90s or before diesel could easily run on veg as long as the fuel pump allows... some don't like it, some are fine with it.

matlow wrote:

fair enough, every days a school day. i like the idea of running a car on avgas Very Happy


Avgas is aviation gasoline, completely different to kerosene (jet fuel).
Modern day is 100LL which is low lead, back in WW2 was when avgas peaked, at 115/145, designed for the likes of supercharged Rolls Royce merlin engines, which needed the high anti-det properties.

You're much better off trying to run a plane on mogas (automotive gasoline) than a car on avgas.


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PostPosted: 22:49 - 17 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry about it, it is going to be fine!

Alot worse filling a diesel with petrol as the fuel pump Is only lubricated by the diesel itself, throw petrol into the mix which is a solvent = damage! Laughing
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