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PostPosted: 16:28 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could achieve this with restrictable washers. A custom manifold I guess? Pull a slide and it slides the restrictors in the way of the air flow, push it and it puts them out of the way...

If not you could always try a removable throttle stop.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would have to prove (if you crashed) that you were on the 33hp map though, with no definitive restrictor in place your arse would be introduced to a cactus by the 5-0
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
You would have to prove (if you crashed) that you were on the 33hp map though, with no definitive restrictor in place your arse would be introduced to a cactus by the 5-0


^ or in other words, "don't be such a fool as to think there isn't a copper lurking on this board who can add any methods you can think up to their monthly 'DIY restrictor workarounds to look for when pulling over newly qualified bikers on suspiciously fast machines' email newsletter". Wink

Or that loss adjusters don't see such things on a regular basis and know exactly what they're looking for.

Or that you can both fit and activate the thing without it being blindingly obvious to whoever's pulling you.
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
You would have to prove (if you crashed) that you were on the 33hp map though, with no definitive restrictor in place your arse would be introduced to a cactus by the 5-0

The defendant in a criminal trial carries the burden of proof now?

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PostPosted: 19:32 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said by Rob, just kill the connections to two of the HT leads by ripping the leads off with a bit of thin rope or such attached to them. It's quite unlikely they would dyno the bike unless they had reason to believe it was massively over, probably coupled with a bad attitude on the part of the rider or cop. Also, don't forget, you can ask for a deferred inspection, so the police can check the BHP in say two weeks time at a police station [during which you install the restrictor]. Oh, and restrictor certificates are NOT legal documents Thumbs Up

Messing around with removable washers will just cause loss of pressure between the carb and the head, so the engine doesn't run at all!

##Paddy## wrote:
You would have to prove (if you crashed) that you were on the 33hp map though, with no definitive restrictor in place your arse would be introduced to a cactus by the 5-0


They don't generally check.
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your caught out you would be screwed the law are strict as fuck when it comes to the 33bhp kits, if you in a accident and the take your bike away for testing which they do sometimes and they find the switch u fubard. just put up with the restricions you will still have decent bottom end and its only last 2 years.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
They don't generally check.


I know, but knowing Iains luck they will.

They didn't check for mine, but I think it was because it was Xmas day Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The police know you can get restictor kit certificates off the internet and if your involed in a accident they will check, a lady that helps out at the charity i work for is a coper and a bike she knows all the shit they do as she gave me tips Very Happy trust me if u chrash in a car they will test and they aint thick if u have a little switch sum where they will find it, the tester would be a mechanic.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BanditMonster1987 wrote:
The police know you can get restictor kit certificates off the internet and if your involed in a accident they will check, a lady that helps out at the charity i work for is a coper and a bike she knows all the shit they do as she gave me tips Very Happy trust me if u chrash in a car they will test and they aint thick if u have a little switch sum where they will find it, the tester would be a mechanic.


So what about a fully custom bike with switches?

Either way, they didn't check me, but our luck is very shit.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BanditMonster1987 wrote:
If your caught out you would be screwed the law are strict as fuck when it comes to the 33bhp kits, if you in a accident and the take your bike away for testing which they do sometimes and they find the switch u fubard. just put up with the restricions you will still have decent bottom end and its only last 2 years.


Nah you'll probably just get driving otherwise in accordance with licence, same as no L plates, 3pts and £60 fine.

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The police know you can get restictor kit certificates off the internet and if your involed in a accident they will check, a lady that helps out at the charity i work for is a coper and a bike she knows all the shit they do as she gave me tips Very Happy trust me if u chrash in a car they will test and they aint thick if u have a little switch sum where they will find it, the tester would be a mechanic.


Restrictor certificate is not a legal document. It means nothing and so the "real" ones and "fake" ones are the same in legal terms.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

you could replace your cdi with a micro squirt,
they are made for doing fuel injection, but they work just as well just doing the ignition,
it would mean you'd have to set it all up, but completly possible to do,

nothing off the shelf though
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your licenese is restirted to a 33bhp and your riding something over that your breaking the law. its as simple as that. The certificate is something your insurance might ask for. my point is the police know that you can get them off the internet for 30 quid which people do incase they get pulled and asked to show that the bike there riding is "legal" but if your in a accident and the police check, uv got points on your licnese and a fine, and who wants that. ITs bes tjust to put up with the 33bhp its a gud stepping stone till your 2 years are up then u get a bigger bike. 33bhp itsnt to bad i still cud do 95 on mine and got to 60 so fast it made my eyes water.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BanditMonster1987 wrote:
a lady that helps out at the charity i work for is a coper and a bike she knows all the shit they do as she gave me tips Very Happy trust me

You could fill books with what "copers" should but very often don't know about actual laws.

And they do.

Some of them are even moderately interesting. "where 'vagina' includes 'vulva'..." sticks with me for some reason. Angelic
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

wouldn't be too difficult to make tbh, so long as you have cdi ignition. Reckon you could make it for less than £30
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im just trying to give they guy warnings. If a police officer that is a biker says it i wud trust her. She oviously knows about they law or she wouldnt be a police officer, you know. Im just trying to explain to him that if hes caught driving sumat more than a 33bhp he will get in trouble. if he still wants to do it, its up to him.
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bike are you planning on getting, my hornet is restricted and still pulls like a train, and it acclerates nicely too. In my opinion its not worth the risk.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 27 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackDaniels wrote:
What bike are you planning on getting, my hornet is restricted and still pulls like a train, and it acclerates nicely too. In my opinion its not worth the risk.


Have you ridden it without the restrictors?

A 33hp bike is slow accelerating. I personally don't think I could have lived with 33hp...it was really sluggish when I rode a 500 with 33hp, also the same with an SV.. 0-60 in like 6-7 seconds?!
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 28 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
JackDaniels wrote:
What bike are you planning on getting, my hornet is restricted and still pulls like a train, and it acclerates nicely too. In my opinion its not worth the risk.


Have you ridden it without the restrictors?

A 33hp bike is slow accelerating. I personally don't think I could have lived with 33hp...it was really sluggish when I rode a 500 with 33hp, also the same with an SV.. 0-60 in like 6-7 seconds?!


i have never ridden my bike full power, my mates bandit 6 is full power and he leaves me for dust on acceleration and top end, but i only have a year left of my restriction so im gonna wait it out.

I came off of a ybr125 so it felt rapid Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 28 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive gone from a GS500 with 33bhp to a Bandit 600 I notice HELL of a difference but going for a 125 4stroke the gs felt like it went like shit off a stick, buts its wat u get u have a 33bhp restictor ur going to get 33bhp, once youve servered your time on a 33bhp u can have ur fun
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 28 Jul 2012    Post subject: Re: Switchable restrictor. Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
Is there a suitable spark cut rev limiter on the market for said purpose.

Basicly two stage rev limiter, stage one at the redline, stage 2 (used for launch control normally on a car) at whatever point on the dyno graph the bike makes 33bhp, at a guess around 6-7k revs. If the plod pull you up, flick said switch or plug a wire in behind the headlight and instant 33bhp. Takes 90% of the risk out of riding derestricted is the thinking...only way you'd get shafted would be if you couldnt flick it between modes.

Workable?? Diddnt the RS125's have a simmilar restriction on the ignitions? More than happy to invest in dyno time/2nd hand limiters to test the system, but is the theory sound or am i missing something major??


Rev limiters aren't a good way to restrict a bike, because you'll have to strangle the revs so much to stop it going over the 33hp. You could rob power by retarding the ignition but that'll push up exhaust gas temps and be bad for the valves.
It would be a lot of work, but a set of butterflies in the inlet rubbers would be one way of making a switchable restrictor. Would be easy to spot mind. If you had a dual-butterfly injected bike you could perhaps fudge the secondaries so that they only opened a little.
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 28 Jul 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

BanditMonster1987 wrote:
Im just trying to give they guy warnings. If a police officer that is a biker says it i wud trust her. She oviously knows about they law or she wouldnt be a police officer, you know

Like the biker police officer that told a member on here "oh yea, you're on a 600, that's the maximum you're allowed on a restricted licence isn't it?"
Police can't know all the law.

I expect with a good legal knowledge you'd be fine with a switch - but I don't know the specifics of this law.
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