Right or Wrong

[mfactor]

First I apologise to the biker involved , I should of seen him , no excuse.

I am in my bus waiting too turn right across the busy main road to merge with the slowly moving traffic heading into town, anyhow I make eye contact with the car driver coming down the road and he stops and gives me the nod leaving a gap for me to go into.

At this point I am now looking completely right at the fast moving traffic coming out of town, but I can still see the car driver letting me out , out of the corner of my eye, just in case he changes his mind.

So a car coming up the road flashes me out, so traffic stopped both directions and I pull out, give both drivers a wave and go into the gap. Textbook

About 2 seconds later a bike pulls up next to my open window and gives me a load of fucks and pisses off.

Straight away I realized that he must of be filtering and did not realize the car was letting me out and probably had to brake sharply when I pulled out.

Now I should have given an extra look up the road, but its a bitch to get out of that junction so when someone lets you out you move sharpish, I relied on the fact that the car letting me out had stopped.


Now my question is.....

If I could off responded to the bloke on the bike, I would have apologised but I also would have told him that as a biker of thirty years as far as I am concerned when you are filtering you are overtaking and if a vehicle ahead of you stops to let something out off a junction you are be obliged to do the same,

opinions please


and the crash bit down the road is where a numpty knocked me off my FJ1100 last year



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[moppy]

I don't know whos right or wrong, but if Im filtering I fully expect to stop at very short notice and am generally prepared for these kinds of things to happen.

[The Shaggy D.A.]

He's effectively overtaking at a junction, it's up to him to keep his eye on you.
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[Ayrton]

His fault. She should have seen that the car had stopped and slowed down.

[CaNsA]

[mfactor]

I was pretty sure he was in the wrong, but I really hate it when I fall out with a fellow biker

[Notj7]

I read within the last few months a post on here about how a biker had been doing this exact thing, and he took it to court, and he won it. Can someone dig that thread up?
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[titan666]

Hi

sounds like you did everything by the book mate!
so sleep soundly and dont worry about!(he probably had a bad day and you were in the wrong place/wrong time)

If he was filtering then he should have been pretty much crawling, and if he had to do any sudden avasive actions then he wasnt just crawling!.

sounds like some impatience to me!


Its tough really!,we all have to use the same roads and you did your part well!(from your discription anyway:)


steve
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[mfactor]

[stinkwheel]

Ordinarily I'd have said the bike was in the wrong because he was filtering past a junction and should have been lookin gout more BUT there is a long right turn filter lane there too.

If you had a conflict at the point you were pulling out, you would also have had a conflict with a bike coming up to turn right in that filter lane so your obs are pretty questionable.

A bike turning right would have had every right to be there and would have had right of way to turn into the junction, you obviously didn't see it so while you were not technically in the wrong, you most certainly weren't in the right either.

The fact is that those dashed road marking mean "give way" and you have a duty to make sure the road is clear, both ways, before proceeding.

I think it's disingenuous to call your manouver "textbook". Any "textbook" on driving youi'll see makes it pretty clear how much weight you should give to being flashed out.

Hopefully you've learned your lesson though. Take note of but don't rely or act on the indications of other drivers. Make sure it's safe to pull out to your own satsfaction before you go. That means checking both directions twice immediately before you go, just like you were taught on your test.

I think, on balance that you were both wrong but had there been an accident, you would have been more wrong, it was your duty to give way to traffic in that filter lane.
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[shereen]

Should have seen you, especially as you were in a BUS!! Not exactly small
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[Walloper]

Fuck him/her. He/she is only a biker....





You were wrong for not getting off the bus and twating him/her.

As said filtering is overtaking one must be in a position to stop when road conditions change.
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[Kradmelder]

Is it still considered filtering if he is between lines of opposing traffic? Filtering is generally between lans of traffic going your way. I have ridden the line between on coming traffic, only when it is not moving, but I know it is a foolish thing to do.

If that is legal, he still has the right of way as you are entering the flow of traffic. But it is foolish for a biker to challenge that at an intersection.

One time I was filtering on the left, on the gravel shoulder. the cars stopped to let someone turn right. I should have noticed they stopped and stopped as well, but then saw the car turn in front of me and had to pull brake hard. I was thankfully going slow and stopped. Totally my fault, but lesson learnt about filtering across intersections.
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[bikenoob]

Bike shouldn't have been overtaking near a junction.

If he'd have been turning right then you'd be at fault, but he wasn't!
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[Rogerborg]

Bikey McRage wasn't wrong per se, he was just a complete ignorant cock end who's going to get himself killed if he keeps rocking that combination of observations and attitude.

We're hard to see, even with the best will in the work, and especially in traffic and double especially at busy junctions. Accept it and deal with it, or you'll end up... well, under a bus.
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[Ariel Badger]

Just remember a flashed headlight is a warning.
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