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P.addy
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Making a bike hit 33hp Reply with quote

One of my riding buddies has passed his test, but restricted.

He has bought a DRZ400 SM Very Happy He obviously doesn't want to restrict it, but insurance ask for a cert or dyno. Is there a way to "ruin" the bike so it shows under 33hp on a dyno without using a washer... doesn't want to take it apart Confused

Only makes like..5 or so HP more? So would something like restricting the air intake or spark plug gap affect it enough for it to fly through?

Obviously, he could be sensible and restrict it...but its his licence Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photoshop?

Or are they made on special paper Thinking Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Photoshop?

Or are they made on special paper Thinking Laughing


I think its trying to get "genuine" proof though.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Throttle stop would probably the best bet. Either wedge something in the linkage at the carb end, or do it at the twist grip (probably easier).
Restrict throttle to something like 3 quarters and it will "fly" through.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just do a dyno run without opening the throttle all the way?
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
Just do a dyno run without opening the throttle all the way?


Can you ask a dyno place to do that Laughing

Throttle stop... just remove the throttle tube and put a fishing weight on there... Ideas Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: Making a bike hit 33hp Reply with quote

Fill the airbox with socks.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put socks in the exhaust

Would that work or just make it explode? Thinking
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Noxious89123 wrote:
Just do a dyno run without opening the throttle all the way?

Can you ask a dyno place to do that Laughing


Was my first idea also!

How much could you adjust the throttle cable? Maybe adjust it to give more free play so that the throttle never opens the carbs fully?

Maybe my mechanical incompetence is showing up here. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Single cylinder?
Could find out the size for the inlet and buy the right washer from B&Q and drill out a quite a large hole in it then wack it in there?
Not sure if it would work?
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What insurance company is he with ?

Im with carol nash and they didnt even mention about my bike being restricted and its a 600 Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
Put socks in the exhaust

Would that work or just make it explode? Thinking


That is why it is imperative not to confuse a vehicle airbox with a washing machine Razz

Would just limit the air flow, have gotten Corsa through MoT by stuffing a rag down exhaust to get emissions 0.1 lower Laughing the same can be achieved at the other end to limit power albeit probably not entirely accurately, wonder how many socks in the airbox it would take get 33bhp exactly Thinking
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

slacken the chain to extreme amounts Laughing

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PostPosted: 17:22 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The DRZ is 5bhp over 33?

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I thought it was fine on a restricted license?

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PostPosted: 17:25 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt it would hit over 33bhp on the dyno anyway.
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just looked it up, apparently the DRZ400 has around 39/40 HP and at the rear wheel 33.4BHP

Where do they want the restriction from.. Wheel or crank ? Thinking
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in a bike shop once when the bloke behind the counter was discussing this very subject with someone on the phone. He seemed to be saying that they'd managed to get the customer's bike under 33bhp by slackening the throttle cable slightly, so that it didn't quite open fully.

That's assuming the bike is standard to begin with. IIRC these bikes are a bit strangled as standard so airbox mods and freer-flowing exhausts are popular.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Inflate the tyre with water rather than air Laughing .

More seriously, is it a slide carb or a CV carb? If a slide carb get a few short pieces of fuel hose. Then experiment putting a piece of it over the throttle cable between the slide and the top of the carb (inside the spring), so it restricts how far the slide can move.

bikertomm wrote:

Where do they want the restriction from.. Wheel or crank ? Thinking


Legally, almost certainly the crank.

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PostPosted: 19:44 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuff a sock in the air filter?

Really though, take it to the dyno place and tell them that you're prepared to pay for a printout where their Voodoo Dynomaths shows 25kW. It won't be the first or last time they're asked.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will probably see if doing a throttle stop will work Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just dyno it.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

or just put the washer's in carb, done this for about 5/6 people now takes you about 25 minutes if that
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbh it probably needs a service before even showing 33BHP, just dyno it and tweak to fit. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 13 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of messing about with home made restrictions, why not just restrict it then dyno it, then remove the restriction if he wants. I paid £40 quid for the washer and would happily post the dimensions but I can't be arsed taking off the carb again Razz Might have been 42mm Inside Diameter though.

When you're talking about a 3hp difference, there's two arguments - that it's pointless restricting so little, and that it'll be fucking shitty if you have an accident and your insurance company screws you over for the sake of 3bhp.

I rode my drz before and after restriction, and there was jack shit difference (stock), I suppose if he wants to do the 3x3 mod etc and go to town on it there's no point in restricting, but when my insurance costs £900, I don't want it to be void for the sake of 3bhp that I won't miss.

But yeah if he doesn't want to, go to the dyno centre and ask them to go easy on it, the DRZ's are close to 33bhp anyhows. Or jam up the airbox.
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