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PostPosted: 01:00 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Mate going mad? Reply with quote

Don't really know what to make of this tbh. My 18 year old best mate lived in the same town as me since he was born, he had a large group of friends but grew apart from most of them, he had a couple of girlfriends but nothing too serious. A couple of months ago he moved up to a very small town in Scotland, with plans to go to College up there, since he's moved hes decided not to go to college but get a job as a manual labourer, as he couldn't be bothered with the half hour commute to his previous job, which throws away his chances of joining the ambulance service.

When he moved he couldn't wait to get away, he'd gotten a bit bored with where he lived and understandably wanted to go somewhere else and have a new start, occasionaly coming back down south to see friends and family. He came back down south recently for three days, two months after he moved, later I found out that he'd met a girl on facebook, stayed at a hotel with her one night where she paid him for sex. I was a bit confused when he told me the next day, but didn't think an awful lot of it.

A couple of weeks later he was stopped by the police for speeding and driving with no insurance (was insured but wasn't on the databse) he was going 90mph in a 60mph so could get points or a ban, writing off joining the ambulance service. His parents gave him a bollocking as it was his Mum's car, so he came back down South for a few days, stayed with this girl and put himself as 'in a relationship' on facebook. Saw him a couple of times over the couple of days and his behaviour had definately changed a lot.

He's now gone back up home, but had the girl's name tattooed on his forearm, two weeks after they met Confused he told me recently that he's trying to convince her to not go to college (she's 15), and move into a flat he's trying to buy up there. When I mentioned the tattoo and how its tricky to have them removed, he said that they definitely aren't going to break up, and changed the subject when I said that she's 15 and they've only known each other for two weeks.

All seems a bit loony to me tbh, I know that before he moved he was stressed about trying to finish his education. Maybe since he's moved he's been lonely (not many people to be mates with up there) met her and has got completely the wrong idea?

I genuinely am concerned whether he's just going through a patch of being a tw*t or whether he may actually have a problem, any advice you guys can give would be greatly appreciated.

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PostPosted: 01:34 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is the 15 year old paying him for sex in the first place ? That's weird enough not to mention statutory rape etc. as for the tattoo business he's clearly not thinking straight at the moment, a tricky thing as if you bringit up he could just disappear and you won't hear from him again.
Most people go through weird stages when they are growing up, I'm completely different to how I was when I was 18. Not much you can really do when he is so far away a lot of the time.
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PostPosted: 01:42 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cromwell wrote:
Why is the 15 year old paying him for sex in the first place ?


Don't really understand it tbh, I suppose she probably hasn't really had a boyfriend before and wanted it badly enough Confused
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PostPosted: 02:07 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Re: Mate going mad? Reply with quote

TomGT wrote:
Don't really know what to make of this tbh. My 18 year old best mate lived in the same town as me since he was born, he had a large group of friends but grew apart from most of them, he had a couple of girlfriends but nothing too serious. A couple of months ago he moved up to a very small town in Scotland, with plans to go to College up there, since he's moved hes decided not to go to college but get a job as a manual labourer, as he couldn't be bothered with the half hour commute to his previous job, which throws away his chances of joining the ambulance service.

When he moved he couldn't wait to get away, he'd gotten a bit bored with where he lived and understandably wanted to go somewhere else and have a new start, occasionaly coming back down south to see friends and family. He came back down south recently for three days, two months after he moved, later I found out that he'd met a girl on facebook, stayed at a hotel with her one night where she paid him for sex. I was a bit confused when he told me the next day, but didn't think an awful lot of it.

A couple of weeks later he was stopped by the police for speeding and driving with no insurance (was insured but wasn't on the databse) he was going 90mph in a 60mph so could get points or a ban, writing off joining the ambulance service. His parents gave him a bollocking as it was his Mum's car, so he came back down South for a few days, stayed with this girl and put himself as 'in a relationship' on facebook. Saw him a couple of times over the couple of days and his behaviour had definately changed a lot.

He's now gone back up home, but had the girl's name tattooed on his forearm, two weeks after they met Confused he told me recently that he's trying to convince her to not go to college (she's 15), and move into a flat he's trying to buy up there. When I mentioned the tattoo and how its tricky to have them removed, he said that they definitely aren't going to break up, and changed the subject when I said that she's 15 and they've only known each other for two weeks.

All seems a bit loony to me tbh, I know that before he moved he was stressed about trying to finish his education. Maybe since he's moved he's been lonely (not many people to be mates with up there) met her and has got completely the wrong idea?

I genuinely am concerned whether he's just going through a patch of being a tw*t or whether he may actually have a problem, any advice you guys can give would be greatly appreciated.

Tom


Watch out for him. You never know what he will do soon. Off topic but this is on my chest.

I just visited my cousin on Sunday who became an alcoholic within 1 or 2 years. He is in intensive care and his liver is in the final stages of failure. He literally looked like Golum, under his sheets I saw a big belly, boney arms as I shook his hand, yellow, yellow skin and eyes too. He barely spoke and the doctor said he is in his final days to my dad.

I never really knew him from age 7 when my parents divorced. A few years back in 2005, I actually met him a few times going Bar/Bowling on the week end, seeing him there, but I never knew who he was, and when we spoke about our family, we worked out that we were actually cousins. It was a huge surprise and he hugged me and was really happy as was I. He is one of these guys who liven up the room, loud, but in a very nice, friendly way. Everyone knew him because he was so friendly.

We went Hong Kong to his brothers wedding in 2006 and had a great time in clubs, and even sharing beds because he was too drunk to find his room.

In 2008 I stopped going clubbing and pretty much going out when I became a muslim, and so we weren't really close any more, just seeing each other at certain birth days.
London was too expensive, he couldn't afford the rent, so had moved to Wales, Denmark etc... trying to get work. His relationship with his GF didn't work out either.
He borrowed 300 quid from me for Hong Kong, and just managed to save up to pay me back in 2008 so I assumed things were going well financially.

I saw him 1 year a go, he was fine, happy as usual which was great, but since then, he apparently went crazy on the drink. My huge regret was that I never once called him when I found out a few months a go. He had friends who tried stopping him from drinking at the Snooker hall where he worked at, and they took him to a alcoholic hospital twice, where he left after a few days. He became homeless soon after and his sister tried to help him with a room, but something happened where he became homeless again.

He even called me up maybe 7/8 months a go, I was busy getting into a car that was just picking me up and basically used that as an excuse to hang up. I thought he probably wanted money or a place to stay so wasn't really wanting to talk. That was the last time I heard from him until Sunday.

I regret that I didn't actually be there for him. A true friend is someone who is there to help when times are really bad, and I realise that I am not a good friend at all. I want to learn from this mistake because deep inside, I know I fucked up. I felt so bad seeing him in such a poor state, and hoped that he didn't remember the almost non existent phone call we had. He even said when he gets better, he will play football with me and my cousin. I am not sure if he knows his fate, or is just being positive. At age 30 or so, he is still so young, and even if it is his fault, it is still very saddening.

I guess my advice is, whatever your friend does, be there for him and try to guide him the best you can.

Apologies for the thread hijack, it's been on my mind and I don't really talk about things much in the real World.
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PostPosted: 03:03 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

just be there when the shit hits the fan.

with my family, i stay out of the "current affairs" between them until things start getting stupid. and even then i'll just drop a remote comment like "sounds like something was misinterpreted along the line." something just to get the brain going and let them work the rest out themselfs.

that way i dont get dragged into it and for the most part they work it out.

dont bang on about things to him, it sounds to me like he's slightly fragile in the mind, getting a tattoo of a 15 year old girls name after 2 weeks of knowing them doesnt sound like a sane or normal thing to do. so be possitive, and well, just have an open ear for the guy when he realises how badly he may have fucked up.

minhdinh - sorry to hear that story, its pretty depressing.
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PostPosted: 06:11 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell him you need to get away for a while and ask if you can spend a week with him up at his. See how he acts up his own way?
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PostPosted: 07:04 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like he's gone off the rails, but don't expect to be able to talk any sense into him, he'll have his own reasons or justification. It'll be shit, but he'll believe it.

She's 15, it'll go tits up, and her or one of her friends will go to the police. Not out of particular malice, just young girls being bitchy without considering or caring about the consequences for him. He may well do time.

A childhood friend of mine got sent down for 3 year for allegedly having sex with a 15 year old girl, he was about 22 at the time. No one thinks he did it, the evidence was shaky (DNA evidence wasn't submitted, apparently would have shown she was whoring it up) and came down to the testimony of a minor and her friends.
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought about going off the rails when I was 18 but I would have been brought up before the Sgt-major who would have kicked my arse and given me a bollocking like


'Moenie vir my loor nie troep of ek ruk jou fokken kop van jou fokken skouers af en kak op jou fokken longe sodat jou fokken asem kan stink! - Don't leer at me troop, or I'll rip your head off yoru shoulders and shit in your lungs so that your breath stinks

or Ek sluit jou so ver weg waar nie eers die vliege op joou sal kak! -
I'll lock you so far away where not even the flies will shit on you.

One ou went funny and started reading comic books and ripping each page out as he finished and burning it in a candle so no one could see. He was sent to 1 Mil (1 military hospital) and we never saw him again.
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like he's losing it, yes. Personally, I'd say keep your distance - there's a difference between looking out for a mate that's having a rough time, and being dragged down by someone who's on a self-destruction bender. It sounds to me like he's on the latter.

Whatever you do, make damn sure that he doesn't convince you to meet this underage hambeast; if this ever gets to court (as I'm sure it eventually will, she'll be sure to allege a spitroasting against her will. This is neither a healthy nor sane situation, and you can't go into it expecting to come out of it cleanly, no matter how good your intentions.

:edit: wait - he's 18? In that case, just let him be a prat. He'll get it out of his system. As I say, though - don't get involved. She sounds pretty toxic to me.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is 18yrs old.................... There is nothing wrong with him........ he is just 18yrs old.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What "nowhere.elysium" said, tread very carefully!
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Usually_Wrong wrote:
just be there when the shit hits the fan.


This.

My brother and I didn't speak for 5 years. He was splitting from his wife around the time I got married, and made an excuse about the invite to not turn up to my wedding. I was castigated by my family for not doing all the running trying to get on better terms with him, but I let him do what he wanted to do, having told him that he knows where I am if he needs me.

He went through hell in those 5 years. He did a tour in Afghanistan and his fiancee died when he came back mid tour, but before he got a chance to see her. How he made it back from there is anybody's guess as he was in a very dark place.

Having grown up with him, I know how stubborn he is, and the only way there would ever be a reconciliation would be if he wanted it. He appeared at my door almost a year ago. We had a few beers and cleared the air a fair bit and now tie in every couple of months when he is up to spend some time with his kids.

If you go at your mate pointing out all his failings and how shit his place in life is, he will shut you out. If he is a true mate, just be there for him when he needs you.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some good advice here. I thought Cunnington's post the most helpful.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:33 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this a "best mate" in the Warped sense?

He's notionally an adult, let him get the crazy out of his system. Don't "lend" him any money, don't get anywhere near the jailbait, tell him to give you a call when he comes to his senses.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paedo. steer clear he will take you down with him. if hes having sex with an underage girl its illegal even with consent.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

He sounds like a typical twat tbh, just leave him to it and stay away. He'll either learn from his mistakes or carry on, so you can't lose Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 15:47 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the sounds of it he could go either way, I'll keep chatting to him as before, and maybe see him early next month. The advantage of him living at home is when his parents see the tattoo and say wtf is that, he'll have to explain it to them, and they'll do the "wtf are you playing at" routine.

I'll keep you posted Wink
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

staying in a small village in Scotland can do wonders to your mental health.
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So my cousin passed away. Alcoholism is such a dangerous thing, and if gone too far, death is near. He was a fighter, lasted longer than the doctors said. I heard his heart rate was 77 yesterday, and today I visited, it was 35. He was slowly dying, was not able to see, or move, but we all knew. I was glad to see loads of family and friends turn up to his bedside.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 12 Nov 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MinhDinh wrote:
So my cousin passed away. Alcoholism is such a dangerous thing, and if gone too far, death is near. He was a fighter, lasted longer than the doctors said. I heard his heart rate was 77 yesterday, and today I visited, it was 35. He was slowly dying, was not able to see, or move, but we all knew. I was glad to see loads of family and friends turn up to his bedside.


Sorry to hear that.
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