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kawashima
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: do you study road traffic laws of other countries? Reply with quote

I've read many BCFers ride to other countries, do you try to learn road traffic laws of other countries before you go?
There may be some differences in details. For example how far from a crossing you can't stop a car/bike, if you must stop once in front of level crossing before you cross, etc etc. For me I applied for international license and they gave me, I learnt how to use a roundabout on youtube but didn't know what a pelican crossing means Embarassed I just rode according to common sense.
I wondered having an international license doesn't mean he knows the road traffic law of the country, how does police treat him if he was a driver / rider with international license?
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest difference for most people on here including yourself is that they drive on the opposite side of the road in Europe.

There are a few significant differences that are worth knowing about.

Some are subtle such as zebra crossings. In the UK you give way to someone who has stepped onto the crossing. In Germany you must stop and give way to someone who looks like they might want to cross.

Some are less subtle. Like in France there are a significant number of junctions where you are supposed to give way to traffic joining from a side road.

In America you can turn right on a red light.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The biggest difference for most people on here including yourself is that they drive on the opposite side of the road in Europe.

There are a few significant differences that are worth knowing about.

Some are subtle such as zebra crossings. In the UK you give way to someone who has stepped onto the crossing. In Germany you must stop and give way to someone who looks like they might want to cross.

Some are less subtle. Like in France there are a significant number of junctions where you are supposed to give way to traffic joining from a side road.

In America you can turn right on a red light.

Thanks stinkwheel. I didn't know any of them...
How do you learn these differences?
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
How do you learn these differences?


Other than from experience, I suppose you'd have to read each country's version of the Highway Code.

UK Highway Code

When I was travelling to Vietnam, I was going to apply for an International License, until I found out they don't recognise it. And when I got there I realised it didnt matter anyway, even the part about which side of the road to use was a vague guideline at best...

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PostPosted: 14:46 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zen Dog wrote:
kawashima wrote:
How do you learn these differences?


Other than from experience, I suppose you'd have to read each country's version of the Highway Code.

UK Highway Code

When I was travelling to Vietnam, I was going to apply for an International License, until I found out they don't recognise it. And when I got there I realised it didnt matter anyway, even the part about which side of the road to use was a vague guideline at best...

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Thanks Zen Dog, "Signs and markings" links in that UK Highway Code link was very informative for me Thumbs Up Bookmarked!

p.s. "trip around S.E. Asia 2010/2011" is very nice!
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I indicated left and stopped here to read a map.
Was this ok? I think this was A road. Not this scene but I remember an AA van suddenly stopped just in front of me as if he wondered my bike was broken. Then I read stopping at hard shoulder except emergency is forbidden. But "hard shoulder" means only for road side of Motorway and Dual carriage way? Then was this ok?
https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/stop.png
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:
p.s.(2) UK road
I indicated left and stopped here to read a map.
Was this ok? I think this was A road. Not this scene but I remember an AA van suddenly stopped just in front of me as if he wondered my bike was broken. Then I read stopping at hard shoulder except emergency is forbidden. But "hard shoulder" means only for road side of Motorway and Dual carriage way? Then was this ok?
https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/stop.png


Nope, not a safe place to pull over. You need to be completely off the road and ideally in a layby or parking area. Hard shoulders are on motorways and A roads usually and are only for emergencies as they can be extremely dangerous places. They are a seperate space to the side of the road and have a solid white painted line between them and the main carriageway.

EDIT - Here is an example down the left side of the road
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

In America you can turn right on a red light.


Not everywhere, it varies by jurisdiction. There's also signs telling you at specific intersections that you're not allowed to. Pedestrians still have the right of way when you make the turn, as does the oncoming traffic. I always ask the rental staff when I collect the car.

In LA I was told, "This is California, you can do whatever you like as long as nobody sees you!"
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawashima wrote:

I indicated left and stopped here to read a map.
Was this ok? I think this was A road. Not this scene but I remember an AA van suddenly stopped just in front of me as if he wondered my bike was broken. Then I read stopping at hard shoulder except emergency is forbidden. But "hard shoulder" means only for road side of Motorway and Dual carriage way? Then was this ok?
https://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/kawashima_/stop.png


I thing you've been caught out there by roadworks. That kerb looks very new.

According to the road markings you can stop there BUT looking at the volume of traffic, it's almost certainly a "clearway". There would normally be a white line along the sides of a clearway but it might not have been painted back yet (UK road workers are notoriously lazy).

You are not allowed to stop or park on a clearway unless your progress is impeded by another vehicle. The lack of road markings makes it unlikely you would be prosecuted for it though.

There would probably have been clearway signs but they only legally have to be at the start of the clearway and it's one of the more ambiguous UK road signs.
https://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/01/25/2012551_c67dbe6d.jpg

Even so. I probably wouldn't have stopped there anyway, it looks a bit hazardous with the volume of traffic. Too much risk of being taken out by a half-asleep Eastern European lorry driver who's been driving for 36 hours straight .
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

When outside the UK it is not only the traffic laws that change.
I've found it's a good idea to know what unleaded and diesel translate to as not always that obvious.

Also in America it sometimes is a pain to get fuel on a UK card as the automatic fuel stations ask for a zip code (postcode, where we would enter a PIN). Generally you have to go in and pay first which is a pain as you don't always know how much fuel you'll need and you have to have the cash.

I'd be interested in any other local riding customs/variations around the world.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I try to learn the local laws, we drive to Austria to go Skiing every year and find studying the traffic laws for a little while before travelling is much easier and less time consuming than learning how to beg and plead with a police officer in the various different languages!

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PostPosted: 17:56 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

Also in America it sometimes is a pain to get fuel on a UK card as the automatic fuel stations ask for a zip code (postcode, where we would enter a PIN). Generally you have to go in and pay first which is a pain as you don't always know how much fuel you'll need and you have to have the cash.


In Las Vegas I had to pull up by the pump, go inside and give them my credit card and tell them which pump I was using. Only then did he switch it on. It's to prevent driveoffs.

In New Jersey and Oregon, you're not allowed to pump your own gas, EVERY gas station is full service with attendants.

Most gas stations in Canada carry three grades of unleaded fuel, 87, 89 and 91 Octane. Octane is measured a bit differently compared to the UK but that's still some weak shit at 87.

Some US states now require you to not drive in the outside lane past an emergency vehicle stopped on the hard shoulder. I think we've seen enough clips from World's Crashiest Accidents to see why.

Trucks, in Ontario at least, don't have speed limiters, so it's not uncommon to have them overtake you doing upwards 130kph (speed limit is 100kph).
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:04 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of those significant differences other than driving on the right is priority at roundabouts, in much of Russia/Kazakhstan/Mongolia etc you give way to traffic coming onto the roundabout.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 14 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: 01:20 - 15 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are different regional signs and regulations in Great Britain, in Northern Ireland and the Isle of Man 'R' plates are displayed for a year, meaning the driver is Restricted to 45mph or 50mph in IOM.

Guernsey and Jersey have different road markings, a yellow line across the exit of a minor road means stop and give way to traffic on the major road. A yellow arrow painted on the road gives warning of a yellow stop line ahead, for a motorcyclist it means stop and put your foot down. Box junction cross-hatchings on the road are actually Filter-In-Turns and you do just that, take it in turns to cross the filter, the person who gets there first goes first. A single yellow line painted along the side of the road or pavement means that vehicles must not stop for any reason other than to avoid an accident.

https://www.gov.gg/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=3197&p=0

'H' plates on a car (yellow background, black H in Guernsey, red background, silver H in Jersey) means it's a Hire car and you must assume the driver has no idea what a Filter or Yellow Line mean.

The 50,000 or so Number plates in Guernsey only have numbers, no letters and most private owners choose black background silver letters. Jersey's 80,000+ vehicles have a 'J' then numbers, Alderney has 'AY' and numbers, Sark has no cars or motorbikes at all, horses and tractors only including a tractor-drawn Ambulance Caravan Smile Herm used to have a General Purpose/emergency Landrover with the number plate '999'.

In Thailand a bunch of rocks and tall plants stuck in the middle of the road means there's a hole in the road.

I drove in Florida 30 years ago and remember being both annoyed and confused by the traffic lights which were horizontal, I am red-green colour blind and had no idea when they were red.
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