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 Hobgoblin Trackday Trickster

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 Posted: 17:30 - 25 Aug 2012 Post subject: 3-Axis CNC Mill Project |
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After spending a few weeks contemplating ideas for a new hobby project; then longer deciding on a design I was happy with I finally got my hands on the Aluminium extrusion profile wanted to build the frame.
Aims are to have a complete unit, machine base and storage, 3 axis CNC control with Mach3 software, A3 paper size capability, High precision with zero backlash, hardened linear rails ball screws and stepper motors and finally a special purpose milling spindle.
First making a sketch of the idea:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0124e.jpg
Then realising things look a lot smaller on paper when I get the aluminium home:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0102.jpg
Anyway, first up is to end tap the profiles required M8, thankfully its extruded with the 6.8mm hole required for such:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0104.jpg
That done:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0109.jpg
It was on with marking out the holes to assemble the frame:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0111.jpg
And then on with drilling them:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0112.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0113.jpg
Then on to a mock assembly to make sure it looks ok:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0114.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0116.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0118.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0119.jpg
Perfect, a solid accurate level frame with enough room underneath the table for housing the control, pc, drives, tooling etc. Finally I laid the aluminium extrusion profile I’m using for the machine table on top:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0120.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0121.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0122.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0123.jpg
Next up is to finalise the design for the hardened linear rails, linear bearing guide blocks, ball screws and stepper motors; that said I can then cut this profile to suit, and make the carriage for the x axis as shown atop the sketch:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0125.jpg
Sit down time with a good bottle of ale:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/ROBOTIX/3-Axis%20CNC%20Mill%20Project/IMAG0127.jpg
Hopefully when its complete I’ll be able to mill 2D images to 3D, and produce high precision parts for a range of purposes.
Thanks. ____________________ Plodding along on my CG
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I was thinking about asking someone if they could mill me a rear light bracket out of sheet  ____________________ Suzuki TS 50 1999 Honda CB 125 t2 1981 Yamaha XJ 600 s Diversion Honda cx 500 MZ ETZ 250 1985 Yamaha FZR 400 1981 Suzuki TS 185 1984 Triumph bonneville 790 2001 MZ TS250 1979 Suzuki sv 650 1999 KTM exc RFS 450 2007 Hercules mx 125 1976
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I doubt you'll get any kind of accuracy with this. Looks like it'll flex far too much, and the bed if I'm honest looks pretty damn flimsy. Compare it to other ones you see which are a solid block of steel with the dovetails machined in them.
Looks like a nice table though. ____________________ Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith
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Good luck with your project. I've just bought a used bench-top milling machine to do a similar thing, but mine will be quite a bit more robust because I want to mill ally and steel. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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Just to clear a few things up.
I do welcome the feedback and criticism good or bad as it helps to keep in mind the planning and checking process.
The purpose of this project for me is, first of all just to be able to, and then for as said engraving, hard woods, plastics (acrylic lexan etc) and possibly aluminium. This isn’t unachievable with this setup, however trying to skim a cylinder head or reproducing engine parts is.
Achieving a level table, parallel axis and zero backlash can be achieved with the right setting equipment, depth micrometers height vernier's DTI's (which I can borrow freely as I do this stuff for a living but on a much greater scale), as for backlash if any is present when finished this can be compensated for in the software I intent to use to control the machine.
Vibration and tool chatter will be a problem in certain situations and of course it won’t be as easy to overcome as removing some of the inserts from a cutter to stop such resonating because this isn’t a large machine with a large face milling cutter.
But I can only try to design what I can afford for the intended purpose and strengthen it where possible. Reducing depth of cut, feed per tooth per rev, spindle RPM tweaking all the basic parameters if in a situation where I’m still getting chatter/vibration.
I was actually quite impressed by the overall mass of just the base once it was assembled and it certainly isn’t flimsy stuff even the 20x80 is very strong.
Link to the supplier of the profile:
https://www.boldman.co.uk/
I have considered making some brackets coming off the bottom corners of the frame that, once the machine is levelled at the base, will also bolt into the ground.
In the final stages of designing the next steps at the moment, all the planning for the traversing carriage, the guide rails, ball screws, stepper motors, and brackets needs to be carefully considered so that I don’t encounter any parts fouling on others.
The machining area should be about 400x500x150mm when complete but thus depends on how things develop; there will defiantly be room for A3 though.
Thanks. ____________________ Plodding along on my CG |
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| Hobgoblin wrote: | The purpose of this project for me is, first of all just to be able to, and then for as said engraving, hard woods, plastics (acrylic lexan etc) and possibly aluminium. This isn’t unachievable with this setup, however trying to skim a cylinder head or reproducing engine parts is. |
This sounds doable, and as I said, very interesting indeed.
I mentioned about the lack of cast iron base mainly because I build machine tools for a living, and just assumed you wanted to mill metal components. I never even thought of the possibility of it being used for engraving.
I also should have realised the obvious fact that someone who is willing and capable of building something like this probably also knows a fair amount of what it could and couldn't do.
Again, the best of luck with this, and please do keep us updated with your progress, it's going to be really interesting  |
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New to CAD but getting there.
Fucked up with this animation as I made the wrong part in the assembly the fixed part, So just view the video as the gantry moving, not the rails.
https://videobam.com/PLxcP
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Any more progress on this? It's still a properly interesting project  |
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| Werny wrote: | Any more progress on this? It's still a properly interesting project  |
To be honest Werny im still no further off on the practical, but in the design im getting there. Its a learning process both in the design and using the software, but I think im about 20 design hours away from finishing that part of the project.
Trying to squeeze time in where i can to keep doing a bit, like i said this one will be running at a snails pace untill i get ahead with more important things.
Anyhow, I have the basic frame work, and all the extrusion i need.
DFM, Design for Manufacture, parts are still being designed as like said not finished yet, these will include spacer plates for bearings, adaptor plates for the extrusion to mate the supported linear rails, the gantry support plates, the z axis plates etc.
Off the shelf parts, stepper motors, linear bearings, supported linear rail, ball screws, ball nuts, pulleys, belts etc. Have a rough shopping list in mind but again this reliys on the design so nothing is final for order yet.
and thats basically it to get it mechanically sound ready for the electrics.
See pics below,
green = spacers/adaptor plates
red = ball screw bearings
purple = ball nuts
yellow = ball nut mount blocks
orange = ball screw
grey = supported linear rail
turquoise = linear bearings
As youll also see on the design i plan on using belts to drive a dual screw in x, but havent got that far yet, see rough pic showing what i mean.
Taa. ____________________ Plodding along on my CG |
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