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I'm not sure how much a CBR250 is but after he tells you how much it is just say would you take x amount. depending on how cheeky you feel. Just remember it's better to knock him down low enough that he doesn't say 'ok deal' on your first offer but not so low that it offends him. goodluck  |
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| Cuchulain wrote: | A hornet is £3k more and will do 20mpg less, and will cost more to tax and insure. |
But 3k with 0% is nothing for a bike with higher value and power.
The insurance, I also wouldn't buy that... costs me around £600 for a "Ninja" 250, where as an SV650 is £150.
It is probably a bad choice to buy a brand new 250, people will still be restricted, but lets face it 2 years of depreciation on a small single cylinder gutless bike, if you want economy, keep a 125, if you want a bigger bike, get one...but work out how much you will lose in 1, 2, 3 and 5 years. |
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| ##Paddy## wrote: | | Cuchulain wrote: | A hornet is £3k more and will do 20mpg less, and will cost more to tax and insure. |
But 3k with 0% is nothing for a bike with higher value and power.
The insurance, I also wouldn't buy that... costs me around £600 for a "Ninja" 250, where as an SV650 is £150.
It is probably a bad choice to buy a brand new 250, people will still be restricted, but lets face it 2 years of depreciation on a small single cylinder gutless bike, if you want economy, keep a 125, if you want a bigger bike, get one...but work out how much you will lose in 1, 2, 3 and 5 years. |
You're right about insurance actually. £250 for the cbr, £200 for the Hornet. Makes no sense...
I really don't think the value will drop any more rapidly than any other new bike. And as it's only £4k to begin with it's not got much room to drop.
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| Cuchulain wrote: | The 250 ninja is Kawasaki's best seller in the US for instance. |
Do you live in the USA though?
| Cuchulain wrote: | The fact is it's a bike for people who want a cheap, realiable, quality bike that looks the part and has a decent badge attatched. |
It's not particularly cheap, and the reliability and quality are unknown as yet. The badge is no guarantee.
| Cuchulain wrote: | A hornet is £3k more and will do 20mpg less, and will cost more to tax and insure. |
An NC700S is £1250 more (comparing ABS against ABS), has the same fuel economy - perhaps better depending on your usage - costs more to tax but likely less to insure.
Then factor in depreciation, bearing in mind that the 250cc category is already unpopular. Actually, have you asked the local dealers if they even have a CBR250R available? And if they do, what's the parts supply for it going to be like?
If you want it, go for it, but I'm not sold on the value. If it was a grand cheaper, maybe, but it's not.
Have you considered going into a Suzuki dealer (it's nearly the end of the month) and asking what their best price is on an SV650S with a restrictor? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Mmm. Bear in mind that I went the native 25kW route, and now believe that it was the wrong choice. The difference between (for example) a GPz305 (similar in size and performance to the CBR) and a GPZ500 is significant. The bigger bike is easier and much more satisfying to ride, even when you take performance out of the equation. It's also marginally lower than the 305, and the running costs are close enough that if you're bothered by them, you shouldn't be buying a new vehicle anyway.
The moment I got my feet up on 500 I quite literally ejaculated "DOH!" as I realised that TIME ON A TIDDLER IS REALLY WASTED.
Well, your call though. Back to your original question, what you absolutely don't want to do is to walk in having already decided that you're having the CBR. They can smell that, you'll walk out having paid full whack plus a service plan and the invisible rust inhibitor package.
Go in and ask why you should get an underpowered overpriced trinket with suspect parts support (and a truly hideous exhaust) that'll depreciate like a stone, rather than an SV650S with a free restrictor for (e.g.) £500 more. That's not a complete fantasy figure: unlike Honda, Suzuki's sales are in the toilet at the moment, they'll be gagging for the business and will discount heavily the moment you take a step towards the door.
Bring reasons why you shouldn't get it, scoff at the badge, keep hammering on the "bike for the money" equation, and be prepared to walk out without buying. You can always change your mind later and come back, they're not going to sell out overnight.
Let them persuade you on price and price alone. Or maybe convince yourself that it's not worth what they're asking...  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Don't do this OP.
In 6 months you will want shot of it I reckon.
Just get a bigger bike, you do not have to buy a brand new Hornet either.
Very very nice 2nd hand examples all over the place and cheaper than a new CBR as well.
Shop around a little bit more.
Think what that money could buy you, DRZ <<< Just pure fun imo.
If you're that determined nothing will stop you and it's your choice and no one here will laugh BUT they will try to steer you in the right direction, most have already been in your position and have learnt the hard way.
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| Ayrton wrote: | | thepuma wrote: |
The list price of the bike was £3400 and I managed to get them down to £2995. So going by that you're looking at about 11% discounted.
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You would have to be mad to pay that for a cbr. You can get a decent one second hand for 1k.
OP, i would get something bigger. People who will be waiting out their restriction wont be buying bikes, theyl already have one or have the sence to buy something bigger that they can derestrict afterwards. |
Yep for sure, you can get an 8 year old, battered up,rusty, 30k on the clock used and abused by countless newbies CBR for £1000. But some people would prefer a brand new untouched one. Not everyone is the same, different people want different things from their bikes. Some people don't want the hassle of old bikes, don't want the MOTs, the extra potential for breakdowns, the increased running costs of old bikes.
And these types of people want new bikes. Nowt wrong with it. I decided against getting the brand new CBR 125 as my learner because I wanted to pass my test by the end of the year and know as soon as I pass my test ill want a bigger bike, so it seemed daft to spend that money on my learner when I could spend it on my big bike.
There's often logic to a lot of peoples advice, but we need to remember, not everyone wants to go down the natural progression. Some people may well be perfectly happy taking a cbt every 2 years and buying a nice new 125 to pootle round on for a good number of years. ____________________ YBR125 (SOLD) - CBR250R(SOLD) - CBR650F(SOLD) Current - Street Triple
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | | ##Paddy## wrote: | Any reason you want to buy a new bike which will become useless from January onwards?
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Like, the engine has a time bomb? Or it will be illegal?  |
Like, the 11,000 or so people in the UK with 25kW licenses will start to dwindle to nothing at the rate of about 500 a month.
Realistically, that's the pool of potential buyers, and many of them already get restricted bigger bikes. Yes, there will be a few folk with 35kW or full fat licenses who actively want a more economical bike, but they're axiomatically penny pinching povs, so how much are they going to pay for it?
Heh, there's only so many times we can give it "Noooooooooooo!", it's not like bikes are really that sensible to begin with. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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i would go the sv route.Think about it now restricted to 33bhp for 2yrs.Then restrictors removed and instant power upgrade.  ____________________ "Nitrous is like a cheap hooker, you want to hit it but are scared of the consequences |
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I'm not necessarily recommending an SV650, but I'm not joking about the price. Suzuki's dealers averaged less than 1 new bike each per week in July. If you can get out of the showroom without being offered a hefty discount on the list price, a free restrictor, and a "service plan" from Mrs Salesweasel, I'll be astonished. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Another vote for the SV to be honest, once the restrictors come off you'll gain the extra power and won't need to change the bike to get it.
However if the 250R is the way forward for you then find all the Honda dealers around you and see which one will give you the best deal, do Honda offer free servicing on new bikes for a set period? I know Kawasaki have a similar deal running at the moment, might be worth looking at and asking for a similar deal (just lie & say you're looking at a 250 Kwak because you get free servicing).  ____________________ CBT: Pass 25/06/2011 Theory Test: Pass12/06/2012 Mod 1: Fail 08/07/2012
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 13 years, 159 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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