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PostPosted: 20:21 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Snapped CB 500 exhaust stud - What do? Reply with quote

Hi all,
I noticed my bike was a bit louder than normal the other day so I checked it out when I got home.
It turned out one of the exhaust pipes was missing a bolt and blowing exhaust fumes out of the head.
I ordered some replacement copper gaskets and when they turned up today I whipped the downpipes off and found the stud had sheared off. Gave it a blast of WD and a quick rive about with some mole grips but it wasn't budging.
Rather than make it worse I reattached me pipes and this seems to have got a good seal, the bike's running great now... but I'm guessing it'd fail an MOT with only three bolts instead of four?
I've ordered replacement studs but I'm wondering if there's a tool of some sort that will get the broken bit of stud out? Thanks in advance for any advice and I'll attach a picture of what I'm dealing with Smile
-Mark
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get stud extractors -


https://www-1.toolbox.co.uk/draper-58710-10mm-stud-extractor-part-00087936M.jpg

They generally work quite well.
Methods to remove stuck studs - (in no particular order)
Heat, and then mole grips.
File 2 flats on it.
Weld a bar on the to turn it with.
Stud extractors (as shown in above pic)

Finally if nothing else works then cut it off flush and drill it out.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers I'll order one of those and a blowtorch Thumbs Up Really don't fancy taking a drill to my engine!
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They come in a set usually, heres Halfords offerings -
https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_530659_langId_-1_categoryId_165572

There is another type -
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/public/40rf0IONtUg3DsmagVWWEeZFmsDa7RXArCU1Gck848mU2z4RZ0-wOb3Czd5NmHiG6u7-y3xCwTlO9SLQlSCdhM_XHCRKCovZgeuxIui3Euw9ak6DMbysNjrrU0kNogpK1Ru_vAdZiSsvQ3wASa7Mvt-FV8CPKhoqwyAC

Which you can buy via here -
https://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=Stud+Extractor&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1326364637505547810&sa=X&ei=Tcc_UKKWN8Kj0QWbl4C4AQ&ved=0CGEQ8gIwAw

A fair bit cheaper, but i personally haven't used that type so cant vouch for it, but i suspect others could.

You could also try using a penetrating fluid first (NOT wd40). Plusgas is pretty good.
Soak it for 24 hours, then heat up the stud and try the extractor.

If the worst happens and it snaps off then drill it out.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a nice thing to be left with as broken studs go, plenty of meat left to get something onto.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/irwin-5-piece-bolt-grip-nut-remover-set/96028?cm_mmc=Google-_-Keywordless%20Ads%20|%20Generic-_-HVK%20|%20Keywordless%20Ads%20|%20BMM-_-_cat:home&gclid=COCgxqCWkLICFSPHtAodM1oAlw

Those are my preference, soak it in plus gas as beatnck said, get the bugger HOT and the alloy it's bolted into, get your chosen stud extractor on there and it should come out.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

with that much access welding a nut on would be the best option, the heat from the welding will free it up

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PostPosted: 21:53 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The downpipes on my cb look like they're pretty much welded to the engine, theres that much rust. Laughing

I'll be investing in a full stainless motad system after winter.
Think I'd rather leave it to the local garage to fit that though.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welding isn't really an option for me, drilling would probably be more viable tbh.
I'll go get some plusgas tomorrow and stick an order in for some stud extractors and a blowtorch.
I'll do an update when the gear arrives, thanks for the replies!
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Watchman wrote:
The downpipes on my cb look like they're pretty much welded to the engine, theres that much rust. Laughing

I'll be investing in a full stainless motad system after winter.
Think I'd rather leave it to the local garage to fit that though.


Mine has stainless pipes, well worth the money I reckon... had a mild steel pipe on my Honda 125 and no matter how many times I sanded and painted it, before a week had passed it was rustier than a tramp's arse.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 30 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

beatnck2 wrote:

I've got one of those and don't rate them much for M8 and under studs, when you stick a ratchet on them it's off centre to whatever you're trying to remove and can snap them pretty easily. The ones in a set are much better as the ratchet is in line with the stud, got a set of those from Machine Mart.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 31 Aug 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're not really intended for it, but Irwin bolt grips will also bite on a stud, and are pretty handy to have available.
https://www.toolbuddy.co.uk/ekmps/shops/toolbuddy/images/irwin-bolt-grip-extension-set-a04635-228-p.jpg
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 01 Sep 2012    Post subject: sheared stud Reply with quote

:karma: hi dude,

how you gettin on, did the stud come out or shear off!!

some pics of progress.......
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 01 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bezzer wrote:
beatnck2 wrote:

I've got one of those and don't rate them much for M8 and under studs, when you stick a ratchet on them it's off centre to whatever you're trying to remove and can snap them pretty easily. The ones in a set are much better as the ratchet is in line with the stud, got a set of those from Machine Mart.


Cheers, i suspected they might not be much use, but having never used them i obviously couldn't say for sure.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 01 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MJS1066 wrote:
Cheers I'll order one of those and a blowtorch Thumbs Up Really don't fancy taking a drill to my engine!


Blowtorch should indeed be a crucial part of any removal attempt here. Also, before trying to remove/extract give the broken stud a few stern* whacks with a hammer on the end of the stud. The concept is to 'work free' the stud a little. This with plenty of heat, should allow you that little bit of working you need to get it out. Another tip is that when you are trying to get it out, assuming it starts moving, wind it out a bit, then wind it back in a little, then back out a little more don't try and extract all in one go.



*that point is going to be pretty strong, but it is only engine casing, so don't take a running jump at it obviously!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 29 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

You lot are great, i have pretty much the same on my CBR600F.

I assume it is a very good idea to remove the petrol tank before i go to town with the blowtorch on the stud Shocked , also how long(hot)should i get the stud?

Any advice very appreciated as i am hopeless at this sort of stuff(hence snapped stud to begin with) Embarassed

Thanks
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 29 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thunderlips wrote:

I assume it is a very good idea to remove the petrol tank before i go to town with the blowtorch on the stud Shocked , also how long(hot)should i get the stud?


Its not anywhere near the tank, I wouldnt worry.

You want to get the thing bloody hot. MAPP gas helps.
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