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PostPosted: 20:31 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: what sort of boots? Reply with quote

what sort of boots should i be looking for as a first time rider?

i've bought a honda h100, so i won't be going very quickly, or getting my knee down, but obviously due to being brand new, there's a good chance i'm going to fall off at some point.

a lot of boots look like total overkill for someone who's likely going to be doing 50 everywhere for the forseeable future.

i quite like the look of the paddock boot ones, bit more subtle but do they offer enough protection? i don't want to lose my feet!
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worn British army combat or assault boots on my bikes for many years. I still do.

They aren't armoured but they are very tough, totally waterproof if kept well waxed, highly abrasion resistant (double skin leather) and comfortable to walk about in.

I personally reckon they give as high a level of protection as you could hope for without resorting to rigid armour.

Actually, I think it would be very interesting if someone like ride magazine tested a pair of second hand para boots alongside the latest crop of plastic fantastic storm-trooper boots. Maybe they have?
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worn Rock Wood boots since my crash 15years ago, because the damage to my ankle/foot mean I cannot wear biker style boots at all anymore (my Rock Woods are soft leather and lace up, and warm and super comfy for walking once off my bike).

Other bikers will come in this thread and gasp at the horror of my boot choice (and the fact I have laces) but that's only because they haven't got a gammy foot/ankle to contend with, and also they assume their bike kit will save them, rather than concentrate on good riding skillz. Wink Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
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Actually, I think it would be very interesting if someone like ride magazine tested a pair of second hand para boots alongside the latest crop of plastic fantastic storm-trooper boots. Maybe they have?


RiDE did exactly that, albeit some 15 years ago (during my first CBT spell.... oh those were the days etc). I seem to recall the german para boots they tested came out well in all areas except waterproofness.
I see loads of people riding in Doc Martins whereas I like to wear leather hiking boots. Warm, waterproof and sturdy enough to cope with anything I'm likely to throw at them. Just need to make sure the loops on the laces are well tucked away.... just in case..... Smile
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first started riding, I wore leather hightops.
Dead comy and easy to move about it ... but not water proof.
So after alot of umm's and ahh's I decided I WOULD spend abit more and get some real motorbike boots.
No regrets.
Waterproof, comfy on and off the bike and most importantly safe.
I get what you mean though, alot of boots look like something robocop would wear.


https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/product_images/rst_boots_raptor-wp.jpg

RST raptors are what I'm wearing, cost around £50ish.

But I'm sure you can find a good comprise between these and what other members suggest. Just make sure they are comfy and that you will use them. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried touring boots, motocross boots, gaybear cruiser boots, but have now settled on stinkwheel's suggestion of army surplus boots.

Goretex lined, rigid sole, rigid (but not steel) toe, completely waterproof - tested on the bike and by sloshing ankle deep through a Highland peat bog in lashing rain. Comfy on and off the bike all day long, great sole grip, fine for the office if kept tidy - they're the only thing I wear now except while pedalling.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not much point expanding too much on whats been said. Bike boots are designed to be worn on a bike and walking around in them is a secondary design. As a result they offer the protection in the event of falling off. They have more protection in key areas than your standard DM's or even the above mentioned army surplus boots.

But.

The trick is to try not to fall off. Yes you could spend the guts of £270 on a pair of top of the range Sidi boots that will protect your angles, shins and toesies should you fall off and they will do exactly the same job as the £60 lace ups that Roger and Stink wears should they not fall off.

Bottom line, wear what you find comfortable wearing and what you can afford. Minimum protection is better than none but try not to fall off and need it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear Sidi Couriers moto cross type boots but without the mud
https://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/mkbiker/images.jpg

not cheap at around £230 and surprisingly comfortable to walk in
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I've worn British army combat or assault boots on my bikes for many years. I still do.

They aren't armoured but they are very tough, totally waterproof if kept well waxed, highly abrasion resistant (double skin leather) and comfortable to walk about in.

I personally reckon they give as high a level of protection as you could hope for without resorting to rigid armour.

Actually, I think it would be very interesting if someone like ride magazine tested a pair of second hand para boots alongside the latest crop of plastic fantastic storm-trooper boots. Maybe they have?


Problem with these is, first of all, they're like wearing slabs of concrete, and secondly they are very bulky so some may struggle to shift gears. When I wore mine on my YBR though I found the heel gap to be useful in allowing my foot to point downwards from the peg so I could shift more easily.
Also the lack of ankle padding can put your ankles at risk of being bruised. I came off in my CBT with boots that had no ankle padding and it f*cking hurt.

I wear my army boots when I'm on my way to training and my £50 J & S waterproof motorbike boots the rest of the time.

Another disadvantage of the army boots is the laces. They take ages to do up and undo properly without the loops flopping around all over the place.
Also did you know they're actually made of cardboard? When they get scuffed enough on the front you can see it in all its hairy glory.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers for the input guys Thumbs Up

obviously i'll be trying to stay on the bike and not get hurt Mr. Green but if that was a cert we'd all have tshirts and shorts on wouldn't we

i've gone for some relatively un-fussy weise lock touring type boots. the extra protection for a total noob swang it against the low tops
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PostPosted: 23:16 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:

Problem with these is, first of all, they're like wearing slabs of concrete, and secondly they are very bulky so some may struggle to shift gears. When I wore mine on my YBR though I found the heel gap to be useful in allowing my foot to point downwards from the peg so I could shift more easily.
Also the lack of ankle padding can put your ankles at risk of being bruised. I came off in my CBT with boots that had no ankle padding and it f*cking hurt.

I wear my army boots when I'm on my way to training and my £50 J & S waterproof motorbike boots the rest of the time.

Another disadvantage of the army boots is the laces. They take ages to do up and undo properly without the loops flopping around all over the place.
Also did you know they're actually made of cardboard? When they get scuffed enough on the front you can see it in all its hairy glory.


I don't think you have the same boots I do.

My toecaps are made of a double skin of leather and have tongues sewn in all the way to the top. The soles are rubber and direct moulded onto the uppers and it has speed laces which I tie by wrapping them round the top of the boot twice then tucking the ends into the bit I wrapped round.

When properly broken in they are like foot-gloves. I have seen no evidence of cardboard in their manufacture other than in the bottom of the sole which is the same as any other piece of footwear you'll see.

These are what I'm on about, although I used to preferr the combat Hi-legs but they are like rocking horse poo these days.
https://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/images/product/main/new-as-boots.jpg
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Benno wrote:

Problem with these is, first of all, they're like wearing slabs of concrete, and secondly they are very bulky so some may struggle to shift gears. When I wore mine on my YBR though I found the heel gap to be useful in allowing my foot to point downwards from the peg so I could shift more easily.
Also the lack of ankle padding can put your ankles at risk of being bruised. I came off in my CBT with boots that had no ankle padding and it f*cking hurt.

I wear my army boots when I'm on my way to training and my £50 J & S waterproof motorbike boots the rest of the time.

Another disadvantage of the army boots is the laces. They take ages to do up and undo properly without the loops flopping around all over the place.
Also did you know they're actually made of cardboard? When they get scuffed enough on the front you can see it in all its hairy glory.


I don't think you have the same boots I do.

My toecaps are made of a double skin of leather and have tongues sewn in all the way to the top. The soles are rubber and direct moulded onto the uppers and it has speed laces which I tie by wrapping them round the top of the boot twice then tucking the ends into the bit I wrapped round.

When properly broken in they are like foot-gloves. I have seen no evidence of cardboard in their manufacture other than in the bottom of the sole which is the same as any other piece of footwear you'll see.

These are what I'm on about, although I used to preferr the combat Hi-legs but they are like rocking horse poo these days.
https://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/images/product/main/new-as-boots.jpg


Well they look pretty similar, just in much better condition. Mine are just standard issue.

Properly broken in, they are much better to wear as is the case with any pair of boots, however a pair of altbergs or lowas will always be much more comfortable and better made. I've seen the soles of standard issue boots literally falling off and held on by sniper tape wrapped several times around the toecap. 50% of the people in my unit have bought their own boots and the other 50% suffer in the field.
But, if you're not wearing them for field use/hiking, they'll probably treat you much better! It is certainly true that they're tough, but one shouldn't expect high quality.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:

Well they look pretty similar, just in much better condition. Mine are just standard issue.

Properly broken in, they are much better to wear as is the case with any pair of boots, however a pair of altbergs or lowas will always be much more comfortable and better made. I've seen the soles of standard issue boots literally falling off and held on by sniper tape wrapped several times around the toecap. 50% of the people in my unit have bought their own boots and the other 50% suffer in the field.
But, if you're not wearing them for field use/hiking, they'll probably treat you much better! It is certainly true that they're tough, but one shouldn't expect high quality.


What do you do if you don't mind me asking.

I'm amazed they haven't taught you how to lace them so they come on and off quick and to tie them without using a bow.

Also, how do you get the toecaps so scuffed? Do squaddies no longer polish their boots? When I was doing field exercises as part of a TA rifle platoon, I was expected to carry polish and brushes in my kit and to polish them every day as part of my routine admin. Used to cut a brush in half to save weight.

Do the army not replace boots that are starting to fall apart any more? If the sole started coming away on a set of my boots, all I'd have to do was hand them in the the QM and he'd give me a fresh pair. If it looked like they'd been neglected (ie, lack of polish), they would have been accompanied by a bollocking and possibly a show parade with the new ones properly cleaned and polished at a time of maximum inconvenience for myself.

Everybody in our unit had either combat Hi-s or assault boots. They regularly took a silver or gold away from the cambrian patrol and carried on using the same boots for the rest of the year. (I wasn't part of the team. Too fat and lazy)

I just investigated my old set I use for gardening (about 7 years old) that the sole is coming away on and there is no sign of cardboard in there.
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
What do you do if you don't mind me asking.

I'm amazed they haven't taught you how to lace them so they come on and off quick and to tie them without using a bow.

Also, how do you get the toecaps so scuffed? Do squaddies no longer polish their boots? When I was doing field exercises as part of a TA rifle platoon, I was expected to carry polish and brushes in my kit and to polish them every day as part of my routine admin. Used to cut a brush in half to save weight.

Do the army not replace boots that are starting to fall apart any more? If the sole started coming away on a set of my boots, all I'd have to do was hand them in the the QM and he'd give me a fresh pair. If it looked like they'd been neglected (ie, lack of polish), they would have been accompanied by a bollocking and possibly a show parade with the new ones properly cleaned and polished at a time of maximum inconvenience for myself.

Everybody in our unit had either combat Hi-s or assault boots. They regularly took a silver or gold away from the cambrian patrol and carried on using the same boots for the rest of the year. (I wasn't part of the team. Too fat and lazy)

I just investigated my old set I use for gardening (about 7 years old) that the sole is coming away on and there is no sign of cardboard in there.


I was with TA rifles and then left it and joined the nearest UOTC (after I realised there was one), passed my AOSB a few months ago thanks to them Very Happy . Oh, don't get me wrong, my personal admin is top notch apart from maybe needing to work a bit harder on the shaving! Nope, never got taught 'proper lacing' technique. Most people do like you said - wrap it around and tie it up. I never paid attention and just shove it into the flaps and it works fine.
But when you're doing FIBUA/OBUA then all the walls tend to scuff up the toecaps pretty darn quickly and lo and behold, the cardboard-looking-type stuff underneath. HOWEVER, I concede that you may be right about this - my "source" on this was a 2lt who was probably just trying to be funny, since you prompted me to do a quick google search which turns up that the cardboard boots were only used for a short period.

Everything is probably very much the same as it was when you were in. The only thing different is the uniform.
Did you ever do the cambrian patrol? I'm planning on going for the team next year but I'll definitely need to work on my fitness.
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PostPosted: 02:50 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use issue boots for short journeys and proper boots for long journeys.

To me, the military boots are frankly comfortable to walk in. I could just have metal feet though. I've never had blisters on exercise, for example.

Motorcycle boots are a bit of a ballache to walk in, but it depends really. I had to buy boots that were tight length wise to get ones that didn't flop around on my feet too much.
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the subject of lacing, Ian's Shoelace Site is just... well, it's Ian's Shoelace Site.

I swear, the Ian Knot has raised the quality of my life. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its anything like my commute this morning then make sure they are waterproof!
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were two major factors for me when I bought my boots - they needed to be waterproof and have ankle protection. The boyfriend's ankle was saved by his ankle protection and it doesn't matter how long you've been riding for, there's sometimes just nothing you can do when someone in a car pulls out on you Wink

I wouldn't worry about your boots looking 'overkill' for a smaller bike, chances are you'll still have em when you get a bigger bike (assuming you want to go that way?) and then you haven't got the hassle of finding a whole new pair for that.

I ended up going for these (or something very similar to these, not sure these are the exact ones) which are super comfy, have some protection, are totally waterproof (tried and tested!) and don't look crazy: https://www.motorcyclefootwear.co.uk/Daytona-Burdit-XCR-Gore-Tex_A100CO.aspx
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using a pair of Blacks touring boot that fit like a glove cost about £80. There way more comfy than my high leg combat boots. I can't really comment on durability yet as I've only had a couple of months but I've never wore anything as comfy.


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PostPosted: 11:37 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

More people need to shop at J&S. Incredibly comfortable boots.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Completely off topic, but that GPZ looks nice Benno. Slightly jealous.

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PostPosted: 11:39 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I started I got a pair of Akito Miami boots.
Cheap and chearful and I still like them for summer.
My daughter has a pair and uses them year round on her scooter (well mostly, depends on where she's going and fashion).
I like them because you can actually walk in them when off the bike.

I think can be got for anything from £40 to £60 now - google it.

In fact rode through winter and rain in them no problem. Only addition was wearing some of the Gortex like socks for a little water protection.

See Akito catalogue - page 40.

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PostPosted: 12:22 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since day one on the bike I wear DMs. I had them before and feels they are sturdy enough. They do not offer as much protection as proper bike boots.

But I had DMs already so it was mainly budget choice. Water protection is not brilliant, but if polished often they will protect your feet from water to some degree - of course not for heavy rain.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avoid Spada boots, absolute garbage, I got some for last winter and the leather started cracking up in a matter of days, one of the insoles came out every time I took the boot off and the outer sole has started separating from the upper. £89 down the drain basically.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_quick wrote:
Since day one on the bike I wear DMs.


DMs are comfy, but definitely not heavy duty enough. The stitching always goes or the soles split. Also when the tread wears down on the soles they become ultra slippy in the wet. Overpriced too nowadays.
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