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PostPosted: 22:43 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Is it Just Me... Reply with quote

...Or are there a lot of Adventure Tourers riding around these days?

Have they always been this popular? It could just be me imagining things, or just around my area, but I see a lot of them on the roads.

And 'Ride' magazine is full of 'em too!

How much off road touring do people do!?

It's probably just me Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

there was a richard branson looking man in exeter town centre . standing next to a bmw dakar with a display board up with his proposed cross country ride .
it was a sponsored ride for charity if i remember rite .
i called him a lucky bastad and popped a few quid in his collection box

the appeals certainly there . but i cant help wonder how many people buy those types of bikes with cross country dreams only to end up trading them in for a volvo estate. bit saddening really

now ive depressed myself . .... thanks a lot wetandcold JESUS!!

even your name reminds me of the soon to be colds of winter . now im really depressed . thanks a lot you git . im gonna go and listen to girly songs and eat maltesers

BASTAD!!!!!

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PostPosted: 23:05 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just buying one Embarassed

The thing is I had a Tiger 955i which was one of the comfiest bikes I ever owned, beaten only by my Goldwing 1800.

Mine won't be used off road. I have ordered a full set of luggage with it and will use it for touring. Yes, I could have got a tourer, Pan, goldwing, trophy or something but I do like the high adventure riding position.

Also, I'm old, 55 and I can't do with this leaning forward riding position anymore so it suits me fine!
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 09 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont see whats not to like really . good comfort .and better handling than a cruiser with off road potential and all . id have one if i had the cash
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PostPosted: 06:22 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not the tourer bikes I see most of. Its Street/Speed Triples. The place seems to be saturated with the things.

Personally I was never a fan of them. I dont "get" the streetfighter look and to me the triples look like a streetfighter ready to ride rather than something someone butchered in their garage.

In saying that though I have seen enough of them to know they are fantastic bikes that do everything it says on the tin and because of that reason they are sort of growing on me. Bit like herpes. Cant get rid of them and they grow on you after a while.
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PostPosted: 06:34 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot more DS ADV bikes. Sunday almost every bike I saw was a bmw adv. With riders in full on twat suits, shiny bikes, and no dirt on them anywhere. You can never get it all off around the spokes and inside coil spring etc. Bikes have never seen dirt.

Bmw also told me over 90 pct of the DS bikes they sell never see dirt. I see plenty of them on sunday breakfast runs but never see them on gravel. If you go to a bike meet, you can spot the bikes that have been offroad from those that haven't. Like chalk and cheese.

It seems to be the bike of choice of the poser weekend warrior crowd these days, with panniers and all.

Plenty of weekend warriors on superbikes as well, but the DS bikes have taken the older poser market. The good thing is you can buy them 2nd hand cheap: like 3 years old, 6000 km, never been off road. But it kills the value of mine: 2 years old 45000 km mud in every cranny.

What would someone do with one in the UK, without long distances of dirt roads? I think bmw and ktm biggest market is south africa, aussie and the usa. But even there, few people use them for their original purpose. Even ktm has seen this and the new 1190 is more a soft road tourer than a true ktm off road. Sad. Those of us that ride off road long distance have nothing left. The ktm 950 SE gone, bmw HP2 gone, now ktm 990 going. The true adv bikes are going like the dinosaurs to feed the poser road riding market. Why don't they buy road bikes? Luckily I bought a 2011 so it will have to last.
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PostPosted: 06:36 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

stupidgit wrote:

now ive depressed myself . .... thanks a lot wetandcold JESUS!!

even your name reminds me of the soon to be colds of winter . now im really depressed . thanks a lot you git . im gonna go and listen to girly songs and eat maltesers

BASTAD!!!!!

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Haha, glad I could help Thumbs Up Wink
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PostPosted: 07:00 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I should start a greenpeace type protest 'Save the DS bike! Ban the sale of soft roaders!'

But I guess supply and demand. DS riders are doomed.More people want adv DS bikes for purely road riding. They have cash. Manufacturers will design the bikes more and more for road comfort and less for off road. The true long distance off road market is miniscule. Only Oz South africa and russia have 100s of km of gravel stretches. Only 13 pct of our roads are tarred.
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PostPosted: 07:02 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kradmelder wrote:

What would someone do with one in the UK, without long distances of dirt roads?


We have long distances of pothole filled roads Laughing

And yes, while in UK adventure bikes will rarely see dirt. Ewan and Charlie were a fantastic bit of advertising for BMW. If they had gone with KTM as they wanted to do, I have no doubt we would see well off old farts like me riding around on them rather than BMWs.
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PostPosted: 07:14 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We have long distances of pothole filled roads Laughing

And yes, while in UK adventure bikes will rarely see dirt. Ewan and Charlie were a fantastic bit of advertising for BMW. If they had gone with KTM as they wanted to do, I have no doubt we would see well off old farts like me riding around on them rather than BMWs.


Had Ewan and Charlie decided to wear something other than those matching textile suits would we see less of them on the road? Razz
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventure bikes are definetly on the rise, every time I go up to Hartside the place is full of them. I think most of the riders are older gentlemen, perhaps with fragile backs, well past their sportsbike days Razz
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PostPosted: 07:27 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCIA new registration figures

August year-to-date sales: 2012 / 2011

14,458 / 12,712 SCOOTER
11,827 / 12,409 NAKED
9,690 / 7,513 ADVENTURE SPORT
9,320 / 9,680 SUPERSPORT
4,982 / 5,720 CUSTOM
3,267 / 3,711 SPORT/TOUR
2,826 / 2,839 TRAIL/ENDURO
1,585 / 2,082 TOURING

Bear in mind that many of those nakes are 125 CBFs and YBRs. Categories are as supplied by the manufacturer - the top selling "Adventure Sport" in August was the KTM Duke 125.

"Adventure sports" are overtaking supersports as the big bike of choice, and given the chances of them being used rather than being garage queens, you're pretty likely to see them on the road.

Go anywhere remotely touristy, and it's "BMW, BMW, ooh, Triumph, ah, BMW, BMW..."

Best selling 126cc+ bike last year was the BMW R1200GS (if you add both its guises). This year, the Triumph Explorer 1215 is giving it a run for its money.

Whatever BMW spent on supporting Ewan-and-Charley, they've made it back in spades.

I myself am openly F/G650GS curious.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My last GF bought the F650 GS, which is a twin detuned 800 motor, not the rotex thumper on the 650.

I found it didnt have the oomph for me. But was OK as a girley bike.

Ja charley and ewan promoted the twat suit, and the BMW. Made money for them but ruined them as a true off road bike. Each model gets more and more road oriented in terms of suspension to suit the people who buy them as a road tourer, or as a bike to pose at the sunday morning bike meet. There are even BMW club group rides where 30 or more of them will clog tar roads going for brekkie in brand oriented rides...how farked up is that??

I still like my 1200 GS, but wouldnt by the ADV version, which just has more bling, a bigger fuel tank and weighs 30 kg more. Far too heavy for off road. My GS is soft roader, for trips which have a lot of tar, and hard packed dirt roads. It is not too good in sand and mud. And then I have my 990 for true technical off road, when Im planning 1000+ km of gravel which is rocky, sandy, muddy etc. Not the most comfortable bike for long distance tar. They complement each other and it saddens me that KTM is going towards the soft raod market as well.

Now that market has the triumph adv, which was never designed as an off roader, the yamaha super ten, the new bmw 1250, and the new ktm 1190, the transalp and the varadero, and the multistrada...

the posers are ruining everything.

I guess the 690 will have to fill the gap. But it wont have the power Im used to.
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irn-Bru wrote:
Adventure bikes are definetly on the rise, every time I go up to Hartside the place is full of them. I think most of the riders are older gentlemen, perhaps with fragile backs, well past their sportsbike days Razz


Laughing That describes me to a 'T'. I wouldn't last 5 minutes on a sportsbike now.
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:
Adventure bikes are definetly on the rise, every time I go up to Hartside the place is full of them. I think most of the riders are older gentlemen, perhaps with fragile backs, well past their sportsbike days Razz


Laughing That describes me to a 'T'. I wouldn't last 5 minutes on a sportsbike now.


I never had a use for them as the roads I can use them on are limited, our distances are too great for a bike with that riding stance, and I find road riding boring. And my back is not what it used to be Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm. The top selling bike in the UK is the BMW 1200 GS

https://www.wheels24.co.za/BikesQuads/SERGIO-UKs-top-bike-revealed-20120424
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adventure bikes are the 20-teens version of the 'Ducati Matching leathers' man from the '90's and early 2000's.

They buy because they want to buy into the lifestyle but in reality all they do is ride to the pub at the weekend, ponce about in their matching clothing and go home. They don't 'adventure tour' in the same way that '90's Carl Foggarty wannabe doesn't race in WSB.
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kradmelder wrote:
hmmm. The top selling bike in the UK is the BMW 1200 GS

https://www.wheels24.co.za/BikesQuads/SERGIO-UKs-top-bike-revealed-20120424


I'm not sure I believe that. Yes, they have sold a good number, but Honda sold almost as many CBF125's as BMW sold total bikes last month.
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Kradmelder wrote:
hmmm. The top selling bike in the UK is the BMW 1200 GS

https://www.wheels24.co.za/BikesQuads/SERGIO-UKs-top-bike-revealed-20120424


I'm not sure I believe that. Yes, they have sold a good number, but Honda sold almost as many CBF125's as BMW sold total bikes last month.


the article does say bikes above 125.

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Strong sales across the range have seen BMW’s market share of motorcycles larger than 125cc increase from 13.5 to 14.8% in the first three months of the year. New BMW registrations increased by 6.1%.

The success of the Boxer-engined R1200 GS variants has been shared across the entire GS range; every model sold more in the 2012 first quarter than the same period in 2011 in the UK


I also tend to not see a 125 as a bike, but more like a teenager's scooter. the 250 and smaller bikes here are generally urban delivery bikes, or kids run arounds since we have almost no public transport.

There isnt that small bike culture that the UK seems to have. Not even for commuters.
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Started seeing loads more of them on the roads too - wouldn't mind trying one to be honest

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Best selling 126cc+ bike last year was the BMW R1200GS (if you add both its guises). This year, the Triumph Explorer 1215 is giving it a run for its money.

Whatever BMW spent on supporting Ewan-and-Charley, they've made it back in spades.


It's a bit been-there-done-that now... BMW are going to have to come up with something new for future bikes, they can't just keep dragging Ewan an Charley out every time
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike Social wrote:
Started seeing loads more of them on the roads too - wouldn't mind trying one to be honest

Rogerborg wrote:

Best selling 126cc+ bike last year was the BMW R1200GS (if you add both its guises). This year, the Triumph Explorer 1215 is giving it a run for its money.

Whatever BMW spent on supporting Ewan-and-Charley, they've made it back in spades.


It's a bit been-there-done-that now... BMW are going to have to come up with something new for future bikes, they can't just keep dragging Ewan an Charley out every time


Especially since if you watch the series you can see they are not on the right bike. They battle with sand and mud. A bike with the 21 inch front and more rugged suspension would have fared better.

The triumph looks like a better road/touring bike, but I havent ridden it. And the BMW cant touch the KTM off road. So BMW is now caught with an ADV bike that is not best at anything but with a hefty price tag. It had a run as the only true soft roader, a good long distance bike with soft off road capability. But newer designs have come into the market.

Im in a quandry. My BMW has 45 000 km now. I do about 15-20000 km per year per bike. So in a year or so, what to trade it in for. The new water cooled BMW 1250 or the triumph adv, or the KTM 1190? The super 10 is too heavy. And what to replace my 990 with. No one is making a bike that meets my requirements anymore.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They're a great bike to ride but they do seem a bit of an overkill for most of the people I see riding them. 90% don't have a spec of dust on them and probably never roam out of the neighbourhood, let alone deepest, darkest Africa. I look forward to when they're more affordable and less knickable.


Funny enough, they dont get stolen here. Dont know anyone who had a GS stolen. Supebikes are more likely to be stolen. The big DS bike culture doesnt exist amongst blacks, hence there is no market for stolen bikes of this type. They generally have small 250s for urban use, and some black MC are spriging up with Harleys, superbikes, and maybe an odd RT or LT.
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 1200 GS are decent bikes for this

https://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/hvandermerwe62/IMG00761-20110220-0838-1.jpg

but not os good at this Laughing

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or you end up like this LOL

https://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/hvandermerwe62/IMG-20110716-00378.jpg
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 10 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kradmelder wrote:
Especially since if you watch the series you can see they are not on the right bike. They battle with sand and mud. A bike with the 21 inch front and more rugged suspension would have fared better.


Go down any trail here and I'm sure you'd find loads of mud at pretty much any time of the year. The big GS's are way too heavy for that - but as a mile muncher or commuting machine I can see the appeal if you've got a fair wedge to splash. That's why I wouldn't care if someone never went off road on one - perhaps their best feature in the UK is the lofty and comfy riding positions.
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