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PostPosted: 01:36 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Email from daughter's school. Reply with quote

"Dear Parents and/or Carers
I am pleased to be able to write to you at the start of the new academic year with the fantastic news that this summer’s GCSE results were the best we have ever achieved. This places *** Community College Academy Trust amongst the highest performing schools in ***.
It is vital that we now endeavour to build on our achievements by continually looking to raise standards across the Academy by supporting students in aspiring to be the very best that they can be.
As you are aware, in late July I sent a letter outlining the Academy’s uniform policy and within the letter I informed parents that we would be introducing a Senior Detention. This after school detention is intended to provide an immediate consequence to unacceptable attitude and approach to academy life.
Examples of when the detention would be given include instances where students:
 arrive to the Academy inappropriately dressed;
 wear the Academy uniform in an inappropriate manner during the day;
 arrive late to the Academy therefore missing the start of the day;
 disrupt the learning of others or display poor behaviour during lessons.
The detention will be completed on the day of the issue and may last up to 60 minutes. Parents/Carers will be informed if their son/daughter is to be the subject of this detention so that necessary arrangements can be made for the late finish to the day.
It is hoped that the implementation of this sanction will continue to raise whole Academy standards by supporting important policies that maintain our ethos of excellence, aspiration and respect.
As always, we are grateful for your continued support in promoting and enforcing the Academy policies. Should there be any exceptional reason that prevents your son/daughter from attending the Senior Detention, please do contact the college so that staff can be made aware of this.
Yours faithfully, ***"

My reply:

"If my child misbehaves (disrupts the class) you can inform me and I will deal with it.
As for infractions concerning school uniforms...if you think my child is going to be denied her liberty because she wore the wrong shade of black trousers or her tie was tied too short you really do need to get a grip on reality, because it ain't gonna happen bud. She's there to be educated, not to conform to some nazi-ideal dress-code. Go seek professional help; anyone capable of sending out such a communique is clearly in need of it."

My daughter: "You're a nutter." Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:47 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer - Fighting the good fight!

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PostPosted: 01:55 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't. I reduced her to tears when the deputy-principle said she would have to be "excluded" if she didn't re-dye her hair because "red will disrupt her classes" and I couldn't stop laughing.

A bunch of fucktards who couldn't teach a fish to swim.
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PostPosted: 02:13 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was "detained" at school nearly every week, not because I was disruptive etc, but because I refused to bow to their power trip bullshit.

I hate what society has become.
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PostPosted: 02:42 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Completely agree, sadly I'm usually in work when the other half picks up my daughter so I missed the head of year explaining to my other half that my daughter had spent the day in isolation because her hair had wash out red streaks (that hadn't washed out after the holiday in time) that didn't conform to uniform requirements. I would have loved to have witnessed the reaction after complaining about the behavior of other students winding my daughter up in classes (which did cause disruption to others and called for me to take time off work to sort out). My other half isn't very eloquent so explaining that a problem with hair colour was a lot less damaging than other children abusing fellow students during classes without punishment then if they try it again she will refuse to leave the class and demand for one of us to be called.
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PostPosted: 05:52 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole system is messed up

My daughter is in primary school, they had a picture of some people to colour in, my daughter coloured some of the hair in green and blue and was told by the teacher "that's nice but it's not normal hair colour"

WTF?

Apparently didn't know how to respond when my girl replied "well my auntie has purple hair so I think it's normal"
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought your children were home tutored?

When I was at school I just diodn't go to detentions because I had to walk my younger sister home from her school so I ended up with over 300 detentions as they addd one for each detention missed. They called my parents in for a chat. My Dad asked what the original detention was for. It was for forgetting my swimming kit, When it was explained that EVERY day I was in the pool morning and night training , swimming over 6 miles per day and that the school swimming lessons were no more than a splash around the head of year looked very silly. Also that the safety of my sister was more important than any after school thing.
I never did do any detentions, but I did get the slipper/cane more often.
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember my last day of comp, me and 4 mates got our hair coloured silver.. We were in school for 1 hour max before being dragged into the headmasters office.

All parents were called and told how "disruptive" we were at which point my old girl explained how she had done it for us and that the head needed to grow up. This was on speakerphone... Well I began laughing then was threatened that I would not get access to 6th form which made me laugh even more and eventually after loads of being shouted at we got sent home.

Stupid fucks.

Lucky really because if we hadnt I would have royally fucked with his car.
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This after school detention is intended to provide an immediate consequence to unacceptable attitude and approach to academy life..................................................The detention will be completed on the day of the issue and may last up to 60 minutes


That is illegal.

All schools must give 24 hour notice of a detention.

I had a right issue with my step-daughters school, well it was one teacher.
If 1 child done something he didn't like he would give the whole class detention. His lessons were the last of the day so he would just hold them back for an hour.
He seemed to forget that people do make plans which kind of involve their children.

I rang the school after the second time and demanded to speak to the Head-teacher.... "Oh sorry he's busy at the moment but someone will ring you back". One of his flunkies rang back and I explained what was going on. I pointed out that detentions have to be given 24 hour notice by law. "Oh it's not detention really" was her wimp reply. So I quickly quipped back, "So it's kidnapping then? you'll be hearing from the board of governors quite soon then"
Surprisingly the headmaster who was very busy, rang back within 5 minutes being very apologetic.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may be a little early to Godwin the dialogue with your daughter's school, until she has her escape route to the adult world planned. Why not just tell her to laugh it off and walk out when the bell goes, then deal with it if it happens?

Plus, have you considered that she may rebel against you and get a job at the Inland Revenue? Wink
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schools are a joke these days, A guy I work with was saying the other day that his kids lunchboxes get checked and if they have any chocolate in there it gets taken off them! Why should everyone be punished for other peoples bad parenting who are feeding their kids rubbish?

Since I've left school/college I've become very cynical of the system, I'm currently 21 and was taught "With an education you can do any job you want and be whatver you want, worlds your oyster". What a load of bollocks! I personally don't think they should teach so many subjects once you hit your final 2 years, if you have shown your good with your hands then you do electronics/woodwork/graphics etc. If you are better academically then you only o academic subjects.

Trying to tell people they can do any job they want echoes 'The American dream' which is anything but that, it's who you know not what you know.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick 50 wrote:


That is illegal.

All schools must give 24 hour notice of a detention.


They don't actually have to give any notice for an after school detention. I'm not sure whether they have an obligation to inform a parent of the detention on the day of it being issued though.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

When my parents split up we moved back to Belfast with my mother. She was really struggling during my last year in school finacially and my school bag broke so I started using carrier bags for the last month or so of school.

The school sent a lovely letter to my poor mother with words along the line of "Your son is breaking school policy by not carrying around a proper school bag and this must be rectified or he will face detention and possible exclusion from school." My dear mother sent a lovely letter back saying the following:

"I am a single mother on benefits and receiving no money from the childrens father. I have to spend £1.20 a day on busfare to get my son to school as, according to your bus pass scheme we are 2.9 miles away from the school and not the required 3 miles. I also wish to inform you that there is less than 1 month of school left before my son leaves to sit his exams where he will not require a bag. If your school's policy states that all pupils must have a school bag then by all means buy him one to use for his last month at your school."

My mother got a letter back saying sorry and she wont be forced into buying a bag for the last month.

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PostPosted: 10:06 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my stepson's school, the detention is timed to ensure the kid misses the bus home. The schoolbus leaves the school 20 minutes after school finishes. Detention lasts 25 minutes.

My conversation with the school was pretty much as follows:

ME: "So, why would a kid be given a detention?"

THEM: "For being disruptive in one way or another usually."

ME: "Right, and the detentions are timed to cause the kid to miss the bus and cause maximum inconvenience, is that right?"

THEM: *waffling* "...but yes, we want the child to understand consequences."

ME: "Why aren't they longer, when I was at school, detentions usually went for an hour or so?"

THEM: "Neither the school budget or insurance allows for students and the staff needed to supervise them to be onsite after 4pm."

ME: "So, given that school buses are intended to deliver kids to their homes safely and avoid having them wandering the streets around town after school, your strategy is to release a proven disruptive child unsupervised, having ensured they would miss their bus and would be at maximum stroppiness?"

THEM: "..."

ME: "No. If you want to discipline my stepson for infractions of one sort or another, fair enough. He's no angel and I agree most kids need to be pulled up short sometimes. What you don't do is make him miss his bus home. Find another method. End of discussion."

THEM: "..."

I really don't object to the kid being discipled at school. I know the kid, he isn't a bad kid, but like any sharp teenager, he's an opportunist. There is a difference between discipline and spite though and timing detentions so a kid can watch his bus turn out of the driveway without him isn't discipline.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

School was bullshit,

towards the end I learnt more going home.

Which I did, they even gave me detentions for not coming in Thinking
(which I didn't go to, badman.)

Did my GCSE's, and never saw them again Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 11:09 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick 50 wrote:
If 1 child done something he didn't like he would give the whole class detention. His lessons were the last of the day so he would just hold them back for an hour.


This is the worst one. Our teachers would hold us back for a couple of minutes at the end of the day to make up for lost time or until the dicks in the class stopped messing around.

Often it would be 5 or 10 minutes.

School finished at 3:05pm, the bus left at 3:10pm. It was a pain.

There weren't many of us on the bus and the ones that were messing around were the ones within walking distance so it didn't affect them. Missing the bus for those prats was frustrating as hell.

It got to the stage where I just walked out before.

My school also tried to give me a detention once for being in a fight. I didn't start the fight. I barely even participated in the fight. I just got the kid in a headlock until he stopped trying to punch me and then walked off to my lesson. They tried to give me the detention because I was fighting and I shouldn't have been fighting and I should have got a teacher.

Stupid teacher that was! In a fight you can either stand there or defend yourself... I defended myself with minimum force... there isn't really an option of walking off to find a teacher! Needless to say that detention wasn't attended.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a similar letter we received we were told that girls cannot wear leggings in PE ?????

Most women wear leggings or close fitting legging type in gyms these days (Iknow this as although i dont go to a gym, I do perv the windows)
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
I thought your children were home tutored?



My daughter started at the school over the road about a year ago. It's purely for socialization, exams optional. She's already figured out that the level of actual education is shite. They tested her when she started and found she had a writing/reading age of 18 (she was 13 at the time). Which doesn't show she's anything special, just how shit the standards clearly are.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any school which deliberately caused a pupil to miss their usual 'safe' transport home is failing in their duty of care. If it happened to my child there'd be hell to pay.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's supposed to be preparing for work life, which in some roles you wouldn't be hired if you had red hair - Although now people are getting used to it and are far more lax on tattoos and piercings etc

IT's not about education, it's about brainwashing
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: , Reply with quote

And we wonder why teachers have no control. seriously when are our kids going to learn how to behave when they can count on their gobby parents to justify why they should be treated differently to every other pupil. Most kids I see in schools today need a regular punch in the face. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liono wrote:
Nick 50 wrote:


That is illegal.

All schools must give 24 hour notice of a detention.


They don't actually have to give any notice for an after school detention. I'm not sure whether they have an obligation to inform a parent of the detention on the day of it being issued though.


Yes they do. They must give 24 hours written notice for a detention.

I'll dig out the law where it is stated later on this afternoon.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: , Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
And we wonder why teachers have no control. seriously when are our kids going to learn how to behave when they can count on their gobby parents to justify why they should be treated differently to every other pupil. Most kids I see in schools today need a regular punch in the face. Rolling Eyes


I have no problem with the cane, but it has to be for the right reason and not done by those who enjoy it.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Any school which deliberately caused a pupil to miss their usual 'safe' transport home is failing in their duty of care. If it happened to my child there'd be hell to pay.


School did this to us once in the 70s and we had to hang about in the dark for the next train at 8pm, which meant we didn't get home until 9pm.
It was one of those whole class detention power trips.
Variations of this incident - running to catch train but missing it - still occasionally crop up in bad dreams (I'm 50!) and has put me off relying on public transport for life.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 16 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: , Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
And we wonder why teachers have no control. seriously when are our kids going to learn how to behave when they can count on their gobby parents to justify why they should be treated differently to every other pupil. Most kids I see in schools today need a regular punch in the face. Rolling Eyes


If the school tells me my child has behaved badly I'll assess the alleged behaviour and deal with her accordingly. She has no licence from me to behave badly.

Neither does the school have a licence to deal with her without my knowledge or permission. She's been told by me that she will not, ever, do detention. I punish my child, not some stranger.
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