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Derivative
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Drive chain adjustment Reply with quote

How often would you consider reasonable to be adjusting the drive chain on your bike?

Haynes states a check every 600 miles, but I've had to pretty much adjust it every time. I'm getting rather adept at it now, but it's rather annoying.

Does it vary depending on thickness/age of chain? Or is it pretty much a given that a chain driven bike requires this level of attention?
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Drive chain adjustment Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
How often would you consider reasonable to be adjusting the drive chain on your bike?

Haynes states a check every 600 miles, but I've had to pretty much adjust it every time. I'm getting rather adept at it now, but it's rather annoying.

Does it vary depending on thickness/age of chain? Or is it pretty much a given that a chain driven bike requires this level of attention?



Depends a lot on what type of rider you are. A clunky gearbox into first, Ripping through the gears and heavy gearbox braking will all add to reduced life. All that is me and never look at how many miles between but 5-600 sounds about right but i may have a thicker chain than you.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I check mine when I lube it. I rarely have to adjust it though.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Drive chain adjustment Reply with quote

1888 wrote:
heavy gearbox braking will all add to reduced life


Hadn't even considered that. I essentially use engine braking exclusively other than emergencies.

May have to try using the brakes a bit more. £30 for two sets of pads vs. pissing about with the rear wheel every two weeks.

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PostPosted: 22:48 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you just do it light and combine with brakes you are fine. I am talking about going to fast into corners and using the box hard to bring the speed down if to fast for the brakes. Its the clunk when doing it you want to avoid. I should practice what i preach but i have been like this for to long to change now. I also use the box heavy in the car. Wife hates it.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CB5 gearbox is clunky anyway. I kind of like it that way.
Third gear is a bit 'soft' and it's often hard to figure out if it's actually gone in.
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 19 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also it all depends on the power output of the bike, the conditions the chain is subjected to, how well it's lubed (what it's lubed with) and it being correctly adjusted and in alignment (one way to check this is by looking at your rollers) and how clean its kept.
https://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/portisheadric/bd625419.jpg

I last adjusted my YBR chain over 2,000 miles ago, but I lube it after every time I fill up with petrol (350-375 miles). This chain on this bike however, needs adjusting a lot more regularly.
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PostPosted: 00:21 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Drive chain adjustment Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
How often would you consider reasonable to be adjusting the drive chain on your bike?

Haynes states a check every 600 miles, but I've had to pretty much adjust it every time. I'm getting rather adept at it now, but it's rather annoying.

Does it vary depending on thickness/age of chain? Or is it pretty much a given that a chain driven bike requires this level of attention?

How many miles have you done on that chain? From my experience chains tend to need very little adjustment upto a certain point, and then beyond that point they seem to wear very rapidly and need lots of adjustment before soon needing replacement.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Drive chain adjustment Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
How many miles have you done on that chain? From my experience chains tend to need very little adjustment upto a certain point, and then beyond that point they seem to wear very rapidly and need lots of adjustment before soon needing replacement.


I was thinking that.

Personally I've done about 4k, but the chain came with the bike. It might even be the OEM one - would a chain lasting 12k miles be about on the mark?
I think I'll just get C&S ordered so it's out of the way, i'm coming up to the wear limit now anyway.
Any recommendations on brand? Can get a DID chain and some sprockets for £80, probably going to go for that if all is well.
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PostPosted: 01:54 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I adjust my chain when it's slack... Every now and then if i'm bored at traffic lights, i'll lean down and check or before i get on for a ride i'll give it a wiggle with my foot.

I never really clean my chain either... Just lube it when I think it looks a bit dry. I probably ought to clean it properly one day.
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PostPosted: 05:55 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're having to adjust it that frequently, I'd wager that it's worn out. I clean and oil mine every week which equates to 300 miles. Got 18'000 miles on it now and it's only needed 3 adjustments during its life so far (skinny 428 chain). For me, the front sprocket is usually the first part of the drive-train to go, meaning the whole lot gets replaced even though the chain isn't quite past it. I usually get between 15k and 20k out of a set of chain and sprockets and that's with using paraffin to clean and engine oil to lube. None of that expensive fancy stuff in a can. Thumbs Up

Edit: haroman666, you're probably making a nice grinding paste by adding more and more lube.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Drive chain adjustment Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:

How many miles have you done on that chain? From my experience chains tend to need very little adjustment upto a certain point.


That will be about right. I must be 700 miles into a new chain just now. Lubed once and still looking good with no need to adjust. Ill lube it in a week as its taking me to south Holland. Did the same trip last year with a shagged chain on the bike. Think the miles was around 1500. No need to adjust before i went and it still looked good when i came back. Think if you buy quality then it will last longer. Me, my money is on DID chains all the way.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Re: Drive chain adjustment Reply with quote

Noxious89123 wrote:
Derivative wrote:
How often would you consider reasonable to be adjusting the drive chain on your bike?

Haynes states a check every 600 miles, but I've had to pretty much adjust it every time. I'm getting rather adept at it now, but it's rather annoying.

Does it vary depending on thickness/age of chain? Or is it pretty much a given that a chain driven bike requires this level of attention?

How many miles have you done on that chain? From my experience chains tend to need very little adjustment upto a certain point, and then beyond that point they seem to wear very rapidly and need lots of adjustment before soon needing replacement.



Agreed. My chain has done about 17000 km and only been adjusted twice. but only now is at a stage where I am checking regularly. I lube every 500 km. Unless I ride more than that in one day.

The more poerful the bike and the harder you accelerate and engine brake, the quicker your chain and sprockets will wear.

Riding off road and sand also wear it down quick. When it is really full of dirt from an offroad trip I use chain cleaner and a a brush to remove all the coated on grime, then relube. 1000 km to me sounds excessive to adjust
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
If you're having to adjust it that frequently, I'd wager that it's worn out. I clean and oil mine every week which equates to 300 miles. Got 18'000 miles on it now and it's only needed 3 adjustments during its life so far (skinny 428 chain). For me, the front sprocket is usually the first part of the drive-train to go, meaning the whole lot gets replaced even though the chain isn't quite past it. I usually get between 15k and 20k out of a set of chain and sprockets and that's with using paraffin to clean and engine oil to lube. None of that expensive fancy stuff in a can. Thumbs Up

Edit: haroman666, you're probably making a nice grinding paste by adding more and more lube.


You'd be a lot better off using an SAE90 gear oil to lube your chain. It's a lot less likely to be flung off and it's still a lot cheaper than dedicated lube. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

YBR Ric wrote:

II lube it after every time I fill up with petrol (350-375 miles).

350 miles to a tank?
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
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Edit: haroman666, you're probably making a nice grinding paste by adding more and more lube.


Yeah, I don't doubt it's probably not good. And I indeed intend to alter my ways when I can be bothered. But tbf i've had over 1000 miles out of this chain with no adjustment needed at all. And the rollers at the moment don't look scored or worn in any way.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good sealed chain with proper chain maintenance will not need adjusting from one service to the next. (So long as you don't run about in 1st and 2nd @ 15000 rpm everywhere.)
Make sure it gets enough lube which is normally about every tankful of petrol or 250 miles.
Check and lube 'after' a ride when the chain is warm.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
YBR Ric wrote:

II lube it after every time I fill up with petrol (350-375 miles).

350 miles to a tank?
Impressive Wink


Best ever tankful just broke the 400 barrier, but I did end up coasting downhill to the petrol station Embarassed
I run the YBR on an extremely weak mixture to improve MPG.
With access to equipment to check the AFR, I have a fairly good idea of what I can get away with. Performance definitely suffers as a result, but I have another bike for that -
one I've reprogrammed with my own fuel and ignition map to increase the fun ratio Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

haroman666 wrote:
tbf i've had over 1000 miles out of this chain with no adjustment needed at all. And the rollers at the moment don't look scored or worn in any way.

I should think so as well! Should look pretty much brand new at that mileage Laughing

Proper cleaning before relubing will keep a chain at it's best for a surprisingly long time, compared to only lubing it every now and again. I say it every time the topic comes up, but I'll keep saying it as I think it's the best; SDoc100 Chain cleaner. Bloody marvellous stuff!

I just relube with some scottoil and a rag. I think most people put far too much lube on which is why you end up with a grungy mess. I just put some oil on a rag and run the chain through it every few hundred miles. Anything more just get's flung straight off anyway!
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 20 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I was thinking that. Aerosol lube seems like a colossal waste.
On my road bicycle I used to use a kind of 'dropper' and put one drop on each link. Even that was probably too much.

Apparently Honda recommend using gear oil. Seems like a 1L bottle would last me until I needed lubing to get up the stairs.
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 21 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derivative wrote:
Yeah, I was thinking that. Aerosol lube seems like a colossal waste.
On my road bicycle I used to use a kind of 'dropper' and put one drop on each link. Even that was probably too much.

Apparently Honda recommend using gear oil. Seems like a 1L bottle would last me until I needed lubing to get up the stairs.


All this chain talk made me check mine and it was as loose as a whore's fanny after the rugby world cup.

I tightened it up but expect it is going. 17500 km on chain and sprockets so I assume it is almost time. 20 k on a big bike is time.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 21 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the main things to help a final drive chain into an early grave is running it too tight. Doesn't do much for the longevity of your gearbox or sprocket carrier bearing either.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 22 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Picked up 1L of 80W90 gear oil for £3.50 and a little oil dropper bottle for £1.50.

If this works out as planned I've probably got chain lube until the bloody oil emulsifies for £5. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 22 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lube the chain around every 300 miles with gear oil.

Only cleaned the chain about 3 times so far. I use paraffin.

Haven't had to adjust the chain once in the 2500 miles I've done since buying the bike, although it is getting a bit loose now, so will need doing at some point.
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