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Ayrton
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 24 Sep 2012    Post subject: Handguards and new jacket Reply with quote

So im looking to get my gear sorted for my winter riding before it too late. Anyone have any idea what this jacket is like (the first one)?:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251029330020?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

Im kind of skeptical after reading some reviews of other cheap jackets off ebay where people say they have fallen apart. Im after something a bit more casual than what i have now, that i can wear around college.

Also, does anyone have any experience with these type of handguards and will they help stop my hands from freezing in the winter? i Already have heated grips.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261100022133?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648

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PostPosted: 20:33 - 24 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowie was looking at that jacket the other day.... I quite liked it. Cant comment on anything but the photo & the price though.

Hand guards; again cant comment on them exact ones. We fitted similar MX guards to Snowie's bike, but they were the ones with aluminium rail, which makes them quite sturdy.

The 'basket' that defelects branches or wind from your fingers though, no, on its own, NOT going to do much to keep your pinkies warm. Its no substitute for a pair of gloves.

BUT: fitted heated grips to Snowie's bike, and..... in thin summer gloves? they DO keep your hands warm-er..... and the guards DO deflect the worst 'needle' like rain that drills into the front of your fingers.... they still get wet, and the cold can still gnaw into them, but they can 'help'.

Idea fitting them to Snowie's bike WAS to stretch a pair of bar muffs to keep the heat in from the grips and hold them open so there was still space around the levers and switches...

Yet to find out how effective that bit of the plan is.... we need to do a bit more 'adaptation'! Muffs come up to her ruddy arm pits! She's ownly likuw!
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 24 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is almost irrelevant to the post, but I have to say I love my jacket because it's absolutely individual, bought in the heart of the Himalayas, pure yak leather with sheep wool on the inside. No tags, no labels, not even a thing inside the collar for hanging it up! It's just yak skin, sheep wool and thick thread. If they use it in the mountains, I intend to use it in the relatively temperate climate of the uk. Only problem is it's so authentic it actually looks cliché. Hah.

Oh and it cost 2100 Rupees, which was about 30 quid. BARGAIN!
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 24 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. I think il get that jacket then. Not too sure about the guards though. Might be better investing a bit more in some bar muffs instead. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 24 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayrton wrote:
Thanks. I think il get that jacket then. Not too sure about the guards though. Might be better investing a bit more in some bar muffs instead. Thumbs Up

You cant beat a nice warm muff......
Yeah, probably what you want, though the guards, as said may still be helpful to stretch them and keep them clear of controls.
Put the muffs on Snowie's bike withoiut them to try and they are a bit 'floppy' and you are pushing the seam out the way to get your fingers round the levers.
Never really ridden with them myself; but others have said similar things that the 'stiffener' in the front is often defeated by wind, and they blow back onto the levers; though some reckon that 'if' you get them mounted 'just right' and use the mirror mount to tension them properly, they will hold shape OK to about 70ish.....
If the Jackets crap..... don't blame me! I only said it looked quite good in the advert!
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 24 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

you do realise that is genuinely the campest looking motorbike jacket ever? If you can cope with looking like you've just got off a vespa all the time then crack on Wink

I don't know if HG are now stocked back up, but for not a lot more than that (about £60 before 30% discount IIRC) you can get one of their cheaper jackets (think it was boost?) which saw me through my first winter on a 125 fine with the liner in and a fleece underneath.

Theres no lining in that jacket so it won't be that warm (except the taffeta one, but see point 1).

A good jacket is an investment, and you'll really thank yourself for it when it gets down to low single digits in the mornings.

Get geared, bike-gear etc all have a decent range of jackets starting around 60/70 quids.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 24 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

herulach wrote:
you do realise that is genuinely the campest looking motorbike jacket ever? If you can cope with looking like you've just got off a vespa all the time then crack on Wink


I thought it looked quite good Laughing

Im not too worried about it being cold. I usually stick an under warmer shirt on and a couple of layers on top anyway. The textile jacket i got now is pretty decent for warmth, but i hate wearing it while walking around.


And im not really that enthusiastic on bar muffs. The idea of having all the controls covered over seems dangerous for a learner like me.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 24 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayrton wrote:
And im not really that enthusiastic on bar muffs. The idea of having all the controls covered over seems dangerous for a learner like me.

Thats why you put them on over the top of MX guards, so that they are like a tent around the outside and cant interfere.
Only thing you cant see the switches.... but you shouldn't be looking at them ANYWAY
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 24 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Ayrton wrote:
And im not really that enthusiastic on bar muffs. The idea of having all the controls covered over seems dangerous for a learner like me.

Thats why you put them on over the top of MX guards, so that they are like a tent around the outside and cant interfere.
Only thing you cant see the switches.... but you shouldn't be looking at them ANYWAY

Well i cant argue with that Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had hand guards and heated grips when I had the BMW. I had toasty hands last winter.
I was so impressed with my toasty mitts that when I changed the beemer for the yamaha I bought handguards and heated grips for it Smile

No comment on the jacket, though I did buy a cheap jacket when I first started riding and still have it because it's excellent in the winter. Hubbs came off in his and while the jacket sleeve got grazed, all the stitching stayed stitched. Not all cheapies are the same though of course.
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Ayrton
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hedgehugger wrote:
I had hand guards and heated grips when I had the BMW. I had toasty hands last winter.
I was so impressed with my toasty mitts that when I changed the beemer for the yamaha I bought handguards and heated grips for it Smile

No comment on the jacket, though I did buy a cheap jacket when I first started riding and still have it because it's excellent in the winter. Hubbs came off in his and while the jacket sleeve got grazed, all the stitching stayed stitched. Not all cheapies are the same though of course.

Sounds like a good idea then. If they dont help i could just get some bar muffs to go over them anyway.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

That jacket doesn't say it has CE armour. If it doesn't say, expect it not to; expect some shaped squidgy expanded polystyrene. You'll need to purchase CE armour if you actually want proper protection, IMO. Cheap polyester shell: expect it to rip in a moderate speed accident - I've had slightly more expensive but still cheap (80 GBP) trousers rip with similar spec 600D polyester. Cordura is nylon based, FWIW.

I'd expect it to be slightly better than the probable alternatives (for a long while on a 125 scooter I wore a wool coat for padding and warmth + rain jacket on top for wind protection, worked well enough for the one off I had at low urban speeds), but not a whole lot better at higher speeds.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
That jacket doesn't say it has CE armour. If it doesn't say, expect it not to; expect some shaped squidgy expanded polystyrene. You'll need to purchase CE armour if you actually want proper protection, IMO. Cheap polyester shell: expect it to rip in a moderate speed accident - I've had slightly more expensive but still cheap (80 GBP) trousers rip with similar spec 600D polyester. Cordura is nylon based, FWIW.

I'd expect it to be slightly better than the probable alternatives (for a long while on a 125 scooter I wore a wool coat for padding and warmth + rain jacket on top for wind protection, worked well enough for the one off I had at low urban speeds), but not a whole lot better at higher speeds.


Wouldnt the Armour from my existing jacket fit into it alright? Thats my plan if it fits alright. The stuff i have now is quite decent.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayrton wrote:
Wouldnt the Armour from my existing jacket fit into it alright? Thats my plan if it fits alright. The stuff i have now is quite decent.


Probably.

I've bought cheap summer trousers in the past without close examination, and ended up with aforementioned non-CE armour in pockets that could take CE armour.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell me you haven't brought that jacket just yet.

Get this one instead

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mens-Armoured-Waterproof-Motor-Cycle-Bike-Racing-Cordura-Jacket-All-WEATHER-/250976479303?pt=UK_Other_Clothing_Protection&var=&hash=item3a6f5d2847

I have this one, and have reccommended it to about 5 forum users who have also been pleased Laughing

Proper decent for the money, a world above to that one you posted for 40 quid IMO.

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PostPosted: 19:46 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been looking for MX style hand-guards too, but have been warned away from the plastic open ended style due to danger to your fingers if it gets broken/damaged. Apparently you can get a rigid style which fits onto the end bars too. They are more expensive though. Karma
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
Tell me you haven't brought that jacket just yet.

Nope, cant even afford insurance til next week Laughing
Il take a look at that one, it does seem a bit tidier Thumbs Up Are they comfortable to wear while walking around?

Clanger wrote:
Apparently you can get a rigid style which fits onto the end bars too. They are more expensive though. Karma

thats what ive been looking for, but im on a tight budget this winter so its going to have to be the cheapest option possible...
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes mate, it's comfortable as fuck!

I just got a black one size M, perfect fit.

So cosy I love it Laughing

Worth the extra 15 quid mate, has 'armour' build in shoulders elbows ect... even a bit of polystrene in the back Very Happy Better than nothing Laughing

I doubt you'd be disappointed, seriously.

Do you mind looking like an absaloute, because I've seen on here the milk bottle hand guards...

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PostPosted: 20:37 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Somehow i dont think il be parking my bike at college with milk bottles on the handlebars.

Il definitely get that jacket then. The RST one i have now feels uncomfortable as hell to wear off the bike...

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PostPosted: 20:43 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

No worries man, hope it serves you well Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to buy some hand muffs last November, I wasn't half way to work and I had lost all feeling in my hands. Silk inner gloves did nothing to help though my gloves were a budget pair of HGs.

The muffs are great for the cold & do help take a good portion of the wind blast off your hands, in heavy rain though there a sod as all the water runs down my arms and into them & my gloves. Sad

Also you're best not to just chuck them on in a rush, as mentioned you need spend awhile pissing about to get them in just the right place or else the clutch lever or (worst) brake gets pushed in when doing anything above 30 mph. Shat a brick finding that one out.

At least this is what i found with the oxford ones, about £30 i think
Just shame they look so fugly. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently bought some tucano urbano neoprene muffs. In short, they are brilliant. I only have a pair of summer gloves, and on sunday rode through a downpour in the cold, and only had slightly chilly fingers after more than an hour and a half. Bone dry too.

I could have spent hours researching/trying them on, and upwards of £40 (minimum) for some 'winter' gloves. But for less than £35 I have something that does the job much better.

I haven't noticed any pushing on bars at extended periods of 75+MPH either. They don't look that good, but the bike is a commuter. And they aren't that bad on my black hornet.

I would really reccomend them. And Palmer motorcycles in hemel, who sold them for less than you can find online!
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 25 Sep 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

ginny wrote:
I recently bought some tucano urbano neoprene muffs. In short, they are brilliant. I only have a pair of summer gloves, and on sunday rode through a downpour in the cold, and only had slightly chilly fingers after more than an hour and a half. Bone dry too.

Ive heard good things about those ones.
What im going to do is get the handguards and then if they dont work il give them to my brother and get some tucano muffs.

I tried some under gloves last winter. I found that they would stop your hands getting cold for about 2 minuits more. I only really used them because they kept my hands warm getting the bike out.
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