Police pursuit, "we're scared", says Plod.

[Suntan Sid]

Plod in Pickle

Useless plonks!
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[stinkwheel]

I believe the standard response straight out of the police book of obnoxious and unhelpful sayings is: "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear."

Let's look at the legal definition of "Dangerous Driving":

"A person drives dangerously when the way his standard of driving falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver and it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous. "

So to sucessfully prosecute for dangerous driving, it must be proved, beyond reasonable doubt, to a jury, that their standard of driving was incompetant and dangerous.

Sounds fair enough to me, I don't want incompetant and dangerous drivers responding to emergency calls.

I had to brake like hell for a police bike the other day who totally fucked up an overtake and would have landed up as a novelty bonnet ornament on my van if I hadn't taken evasive action.
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[mistergixer]

Don't see the problem, they're already exempt from any come-back when they kill members of the public in other ways (Tomlinson, de Menezes etc), so why not just add driving to that list too.....

I say just drop the pretence, and let it be known that they can do whatever the fuck they want without any consequence of any shape, form or fashion.


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[Suntan Sid]

Seems to be shaping up that way!
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[Joncrete Cungle]

Drive / ride in a dangerous / reckless manner that contributes towards a accident collision (remember officer it is no longer an accident, it is a collision and someone is to 'blame')and yes you might end up in court and be prosecuted. Welcome to a dose of the real world rozzers.

You reap what you sow.

[Rogerborg]

Good. Fuck 'em, prosecute away.

We keep getting told by Plod that speed kills and that vehicles are lethal weapons. Well, stop driving them at speed and using them as weapons, unless lives are actually in danger. In the case in hand, was the burglar en route to murder someone?

I doubt it, so what was the pressing interest in pursuing him closely? We don't know what the jury here saw or were told, but I'd suspect that they swallowed the usual "difficult job, split second decision" bollocks when the reality is more likely that Plod just got the red mist on and fancied a chase.

I refer you to the New Zealand copper who rammed a cyclist off his bike in order (nobody laugh) to ticket him for endangering himself by not wearing a helmet.

Aside, it's interesting to see the recommendation that "nearest and dearest" should be used as a consideration against prosecution. It always used to be, it was only a couple of years back that the CPS changed their minds on it and said (in my own parlance) "Fuck 'em, prosecute away".
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[keggyhander]

[stinkwheel]

[pepperami]

[soforene]

So the law won't apply to those whose job it is to uphold the law?

Sounds pretty barmy to me.

[stinkwheel]

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[Llama-Farmer]

How do you define responding to a call where "life may be in danger"?

Is it a yes/no definition, or a spectrum, or a multi-level range? Who decides which level it falls under?


I read several years ago now that a paramedic got lost his job, got banned from driving and spent 9 months in prison for doing 140mph on an empty well-lit motorway at night whilst transporting a liver for transplant, something to do with "wasn't an immediately essential transplant" and time was not of the essence, could have travelled at the speed limit without compromising the viability of the organ or the success of the operation.


Should they be prosecuted if they negligently contributed to, or outright caused a crash resulting in injury or death? Yeah of course.

Should they if there was no obvious negligence on their part, for example a car pulled out on them having checked it was clear and not expecting the car they saw in the distance to be doing 70mph on a 30mph road? Well that's a different question and a potentially big debate.

[Rogerborg]

[mistergixer]

[TheDonUK]

Can't stand the double standard,

If it's not safe for me to do, then neither is it safe for you (police), i don't care how much training you have had or if you are an advanced driver, if someone does something totally unexpected and dangerous you are going to have an crash.

I am willing to live with them driving in an unsafe mannor to respond to emergencies, as i drive in a stupid mannor for the thrill of it, so don't hold a grudge for them doing in in the line of duty.

I wish they would be honest and say they are chancing it as much as a the next guy, hiding behind advanced qualifications and then nicking people for doing exactly what they do....
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[keggyhander]

[U_W v2.0]

honestly, police (not so much ambulence or fire brigade, as i have alot of respect for them, see them down my road enough lol) need to be made an example of.

police: Their job is to protect and serve (to coin a phrase). They set an example for communities around the country and should be held up to a certain standard. when they brake this standard they should be hung out to dry and made a public example of.

then if might get to the point of "well if the cops get screwed over for that, maybe we shouldnt go shoot jimbob in the face"

giving the police immunity only serves to promote a worse work ethic and standard because they are immune!

"oh we dont need this training anymore, they cant do anything if we screw up"

cop screws up, cop gets hung drawn and quartered. thats how it should be!
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[DreadHead]

You only need to watch the documentaries with Trevor McDoughnut and that other mush , Alastair Whatsisbollocks to realise that half the coppers on traffic duty are basically tamed saxo drivers who think that driving at rudiculous speed is some sort of substitute for a small pecker.

Oh and the phrase 'To Protect and to Serve' is from America

PS its Ambulance

HTH

As Stinkwheel said, only in more modern parlance...

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[U_W v2.0]

i know its american, why i put coin a phrase.

still it does, or is meant, to apply to our police as well.

your right, alot of cops on the tv shows are total idiots
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