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dannyh
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Buying advice Reply with quote

Hello Guys,
I’m new to the forum, I am getting a new job and will need to commute 40 miles a day, I have a Seat Leon Cupra R and can’t afford to commute in that at 25 MPG lol.
I’m looking at doing my CBT and getting a 125 to commute.
I have had a look around and quite like the Yamaha YBR 125, I’m not really into the super sports bike. Also i think this 125 will be quite cheap to insure.
There seems to be quite a few about and I went to look at one yesterday locally. The bike looked nice and clean it was a 2005 reg. It’s up for £900 but has 5,000 miles on it, I’m not stereotyping but the owner look a little dubious, and could the mileage have been changed easily? I know it’s an analogue mile counter so I’m not sure to believe him, I know I can do a reg check and look at old MOTs but if it had been done every year I wouldn’t know.

Any advice guys

Thanks
Danny
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 2011 YBR will be up for sale soon....looking for £1500, its immaculate. I'm located in the midlands, pm me if interested, its a cracking little bike and perfect for learning on. Got me past my mod1 and 2 first time so its a lucky bike too Smile
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always trust your instincts when buying something if it doesn't feel right or you don't trust the seller just walk away, there are plenty more fish in the sea.

A lot of 125s have very low mileage on them as they're not great for covering long distances...

...or people buy them thinking they want to be a 'biker' but after buying the bike, all the gear, getting the tattoos and that feintly odd leathery/oily smell realise they can't co-ordinate their left hand on the clutch and their left foot to change gear and realise that it is cold in winter so pack the bike and the gear away for a few years before selling it.
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of left field if it's a commute you're looking at rather than bike weekend fun have a look at one of the bigger style 125cc scooters.

Plus points are that it has plenty of underseat storage, more if you add a topbox. Useful for a change of clothes, lunch, whatever, etc. Plus they have better weather protection than a naked bike.

If you'd already got a full licence I'd be suggesting the bigger versions (Burgman, SilverWing, etc.).

Have a think about what you want of of two wheel transport. If you don't want a full bike licence I know people who are happy to pay £100 or so every 2 years for CBT and just ride to and from work. Suspect they pay more insurance but against cost of obtaining licence you'd have to do the maths that's relevant to you.

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dannyh
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the advice guys,
My point was can you trust the mileage? im only comparing this to cars but my car had a digital dash so i couldnt adjust the mileage but my friend has a MK1 golf and if he wanted to he could adjust it.

I am walking away from this seller.

also as a second question what kind of mileage of 125s good for?
(sorry if this is a daft question)
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yaigi
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm selling my YBR Custom, they're less sporty looking that the normal YBR, have you taken a look at them?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221132351723?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
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dannyh
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Map, im after a commuter but i have always like the idea of having a bike so i want a gear bike rather than a scooter. Smile
when summer comes i may like it that much i want to do my full test
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dannyh wrote:
My point was can you trust the mileage? im only comparing this to cars but my car had a digital dash so i couldnt adjust the mileage but my friend has a MK1 golf and if he wanted to he could adjust it.

I am walking away from this seller.

also as a second question what kind of mileage of 125s good for?
(sorry if this is a daft question)


Did it look like had done 5000 miles ? if so it should be in decent nick unless its been stored outside, uncovered and unloved. I'm on a 125, had it 2 years and its now done about 9000 miles, quite often you see them with far less as owners get them, potter about at weekends to do their test training then sell them on. Often they sit in a garage all winter due to fair weather owners, really you need to have a good look at the bike to see if the mileage looks genuine (is the chain & sprocket knackered for a start).
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dannyh wrote:
thanks for the advice guys,
My point was can you trust the mileage? im only comparing this to cars but my car had a digital dash so i couldnt adjust the mileage but my friend has a MK1 golf and if he wanted to he could adjust it.


You think that you can't adjust the mileage on a digital dash? They're easier than the old style ones... google 'mileage correction'
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
If you'd like a YBR 125 with genuine mileage there's mine up for sale at the moment?

I've got recipts with dates on it for all the services, at which point the mileage was written up on it. Always been well maintained - was the bike shown in the guides i wrote up about maintaining one Laughing

Have a look in the for sale section if sir is interested? Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 14:41 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dannyh wrote:
thanks for the advice guys,
My point was can you trust the mileage? im only comparing this to cars but my car had a digital dash so i couldnt adjust the mileage but my friend has a MK1 golf and if he wanted to he could adjust it.

I am walking away from this seller.

also as a second question what kind of mileage of 125s good for?
(sorry if this is a daft question)




A laptop and the correct program will adjust the mileage on a digital dash, where as on a mechanical odo, you need to dismantle, move the numbers and get them straight (which isn't always easy).
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dannyh wrote:
thanks for the advice guys,
My point was can you trust the mileage? im only comparing this to cars but my car had a digital dash so i couldnt adjust the mileage but my friend has a MK1 golf and if he wanted to he could adjust it.

I am walking away from this seller.

also as a second question what kind of mileage of 125s good for?
(sorry if this is a daft question)


You can fiddle the mileage on anything really.
Bikes usually do a far lower annual mileage than cars, I think the average is 3000 miles per year, but that includes 100,000+ mile a year professional riders. I suspect the average for "normally" used bikes is far lower, with 125s being the lowest since most people only buy them to learn on.

In short, ignore the clock and go on overall condition, and as others have said, if you get a bad feeling walk away.
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dannyh
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies guys,

so all in all as long as the bike looks good then it should be fine, the mileage figue doesnt mean much, i know a 100,000 mile car is somthing to be approached with caution, so would there be a simalar mileage bracket for a bike.

Ive see a YBR for £900 at a dealer to and they also have one for £1100 on an 07. i think for a first tim buy it might be better to get it from a dealer.

Does anyone have any experiance with Yamaha in hyde???
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 01 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

dannyh wrote:
i know a 100,000 mile car is somthing to be approached with caution, so would there be a simalar mileage bracket for a bike


Yes, but its typically lower, as bike engines are, generally speaking, much more highly stressed. For a little bike, over about 40k would be thought properly high mileage. For big bikes, more like 60k. Some bikes do much higher mileages (my VFR is on 86k and still going strong), but its very much dependent on the quality of the bike, the state of tune of the engine, proper servicing etc. etc.

I've seen it claimed that modern litre bike engines should do 100k without major issues, but the rest of the bike would probably be scrap by then anyway.

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PostPosted: 11:17 - 02 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

These ybr or cg125 etc will run for miles and miles. Al you need to do is look after them change the oil, plug and check the valves now and again
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 02 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, I would be suprised if anyone would go to the effort of clocking a YBR when the change in value would be negligable.

As has been said, look at the bike, is it clean, are the consumable in good condition, does it run OK, is the V5 present and has it a valid MOT.

That's all I would do.
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