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Ingah
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 05 Oct 2012    Post subject: Borrowing a few grand Reply with quote

I'm going to want to borrow in the region of £3000-£4000 as i've just secured a new job has increased my pay by enough that i feel i can afford to own a car, and where i would also benefit from owning a car (and i haven't got a car, hence the need to borrow - largely to front the insurance money!). Looking at picking up a medium size 'family' style car that's been looked after - for under a grand (it's the insurance that'll make me need the extra couple of K).

My credit will probably be fairly good for a young guy (i've been continually using my credit card for the past 4/5 years, paying it off in full most but not all months, and not missing payments etc), although i'll be sure to peruse my credit files before applying for anything.

There's a couple of facts that may or may not complicate things though:
I'm looking for a payback period of 3-5 years, but i really would like to be able to pay it off earlier if my new job works out.
I've already got a 0% student overdraft (i'm in the graduate grace period at the moment) and a credit card, all in all probably £4000 of available credit. I'm probably using around £2000 of it - just the 0% overdraft - (but don't really want to use more available credit, because credit card debt is pretty expensive) - should i be reducing, say, my credit card credit limit, before i apply for more loans?
And anyone know what happens if you lose your job and can't afford the repayments? Exclamation

And what kind of loans should i be looking at? Is this a time for the standard bank loan? Are there any other/better ways of borrowing the money for this circumstance?
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 05 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got another car and needed 2k so I just got a new credit card with 0% for 18 months.
Loans now under 7k are quite high interest rates, it might be worth while asking how much finance is when you buy your car (if it's from a garage) they can also provide payment protection.
Also look around for insurance, they may do the pay monthly option at no extra cost.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 05 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moneysavingexpert.com is your friend, have a good read up on there, they give u examples of borrowing and recommended routes to go down
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 05 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Jodie said, interest free credit card deals are awesome.

Buy car on credit card (assuming from dealer) then do an interest free balance transfer to another one. Then another after 18 months if you don't pay it off in time.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 06 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you're wanting to borrow money to buy something that only lasts 1 year (insurance) but pay it back over a period of > 3 years ? What are you going to do when the insurance is due the following year ? Can you not afford to just pay the insurance monthly or get a cheaper car for a couple of years to build up a no claims bonus ?
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 06 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Codemonkey wrote:
So you're wanting to borrow money to buy something that only lasts 1 year (insurance) but pay it back over a period of > 3 years ? What are you going to do when the insurance is due the following year ? Can you not afford to just pay the insurance monthly or get a cheaper car for a couple of years to build up a no claims bonus ?

My pay has just jumped considerably, so next year should be no problem at all.
And yes, i can afford to pay monthly, but no only are the interest rates insurers provide completely hideous, but they also screw you if you change car etc - not such an issue with an up front payment.

And 'cheaper car' isn't the problem, the insurance bill is - there's no way i can front the money, although i will be earning it in short order.

And whilst i really do understand the benefits of a 0% card, i just can't see me being able to get one with a £3K+ balance.

Am intending to buy the car privately, rather than from a professional rip off merchant (just my experience in bike dealers talking there).
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 06 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ingah wrote:
My pay has just jumped considerably, so next year should be no problem at all.
And yes, i can afford to pay monthly, but no only are the interest rates insurers provide completely hideous, but they also screw you if you change car etc - not such an issue with an up front payment.

And 'cheaper car' isn't the problem, the insurance bill is - there's no way i can front the money, although i will be earning it in short order.

And whilst i really do understand the benefits of a 0% card, i just can't see me being able to get one with a £3K+ balance.


What about just borrowing the insurance money as a bank loan over just one year ? I appreciate your problem, its just that paying for insurance that only lasts 1 year over 3 seems just a bit nuts. Can you guarantee you'll still be in a job in 12 months ? Not many people can at the moment, and if you can't you'll need to take out extra payment protection insurance to cover your repayments in the event of loss of job. Paying back loans early usually incurs a fee, so make sure you check how much the penalty would be if you want to settle early.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 06 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had more than my fair share of debt in the past, I am out of it now and there is nothing other than a house that would ever tempt me back into it again.

You say you have had a considerable pay rise, suffice to say you have been living pre pay rise happily (so the raise will be all extra free cash?) without a car, so it would seem that you could simply wait "insert number of months here" and pay for your new car outright when you actually have the money?.....
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 06 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with bacon.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 06 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
I agree with bacon.


And I agree with Pete.
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 06 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
Pete. wrote:
I agree with bacon.


And I agree with Pete.


And i agree with Instigator.
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 07 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with Groove on this one.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 07 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, personally taking a loan out is no problem for me. Personally I'm the type of person who has to have had it yesterday rather than in 'a few months time'

Not really a problem as I took out a 5k loan over 2 years, its something that I can pay back outright sooner rather than later due to the relatively small amount. The repayments don't really make any severe difference in my monthly income and outgoings and something that can be afforded.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 07 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree with DR for not agreeing with prevoius poster. Karma
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 07 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I disagree with DR for not agreeing with prevoius poster. Karma



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PostPosted: 14:20 - 07 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As the others have said I wouldn't borrow 4K to spend 3/4 of it on insurance etc. If you borrow 4K get a 4K car. If you want a car for under a grand, skrimp and save for a bit. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 07 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacon wrote:
I have had more than my fair share of debt in the past, I am out of it now and there is nothing other than a house that would ever tempt me back into it again.

You say you have had a considerable pay rise, suffice to say you have been living pre pay rise happily (so the raise will be all extra free cash?) without a car, so it would seem that you could simply wait "insert number of months here" and pay for your new car outright when you actually have the money?.....


Whilst i fully understand your view (and i'm in 2 minds about it myself), i would just like to point out that 'happily' is not the word by any stretch - i've been very very fed up with getting wet and cold and faffing around with gear that seems to take ages to get on and off, and having a nightmare getting to work in borderline icy conditions - i absolutely refuse to use the bike when there's an ice risk - something i feel i stupidly did years back. I was lucky last year, it didn't really snow. This year, i could be unlucky - public transport links are exceedingly poor from my current location to where i've been working and where i will be working (and besides which, this shift work is going to be at times when public transport just isn't running). And winter is coming, i won't be able to save all the money i need in time. I'm also going to be working 12 hour shifts in such a way that the time i save by driving is kind of needed to sleep properly! (i'm not working exactly around the corner, because i live in the sticks).

The extra money is indeed 'extra' as i was treading water in my old job financially. I should also point out that i have no intention of spending more than £2K on insurance, and hope to spend less than that on it, so if i'm borrowing even just £3K, i won't have spent every penny before i even start to drive.

So there's whilst there's convincing reasons against borrowing, i feel there's also convincing reasons to borrow (not the least of which is significantly reducing the chance of becoming a KSI statistic 'chancing' it on the bike). Hence my interests in methods of borrowing. I'm also particularly interested in 'insuring' the loan against job loss, as then i'm reducing the potential consequences.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 07 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

What was the point in this thread? The overwhelming majority think it is a bad idea but you will go ahead and do it anyway. If your disposable income is that plentiful then you wouldn't be considering credit for a £1k car.

So go ahead and do it, but don't come back kicking and screaming when you are up to your eyeballs in debt...
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 07 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonB wrote:
What was the point in this thread? The overwhelming majority think it is a bad idea but you will go ahead and do it anyway. If your disposable income is that plentiful then you wouldn't be considering credit for a £1k car.

So go ahead and do it, but don't come back kicking and screaming when you are up to your eyeballs in debt...


I got the impression that everyone was just agreeing with each other for the lols of having a line of 'i agree with what he said' posts.

I was trying to point out in my replies that other people's circumstances don't match mine; i was trying to explain why i feel the need to borrow (specifically i think, working in the middle of the night and not having any middle-of-the-night public transport links to where i'm going to be working are major problems when combined with the ice/snow of winter and refusing to take a bike out in those conditions - i'm also extremely unlikely to have anyone living near enough to come pick me up and so i'd be left solely with a taxi in poor conditions, which will be incredibly expensive) - I don't actually think i specifically asked if i should take the loan or not. As suggested in the original post, i'm more interested in the how to do this, rather than other people's suggestions not to do it (it's very easy to say taking a loan is a bad idea, but so is not turning up at my new job whenever it snows). Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying i don't welcome the 'be careful' style comments - just that i have to weigh it all up for my circumstances, whereas other people's opinions will be coloured by their own personal circumstances. Obviously i'm interested in anything that reduces the risk of doing this, hence the suggestion to look into PPI and the money saving expert website was particularly helpful - and i've found a few things on my credit reports that need correcting before i even consider applying to anything, so thanks people.

I'm hardly going to blame BCF if this backfires, it's just that the more i think about it, the more it looks to be the only realistic way to get from my house in the sticks, to another location out in the sticks, in poor winter conditions. Hence it's a near-necessity. Hence i've asked what the best loan options available are.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 07 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ingah wrote:
I got the impression that everyone was just agreeing with each other for the lols of having a line of 'i agree with what he said' posts.


I wasn't doing it for the 'lols', I genuinely think it's a bad idea.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 07 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
Ingah wrote:
I got the impression that everyone was just agreeing with each other for the lols of having a line of 'i agree with what he said' posts.


I wasn't doing it for the 'lols', I genuinely think it's a bad idea.

Fair enough, thanks for letting me know.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 07 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Borrowing a few grand Reply with quote

Ingah wrote:
And anyone know what happens if you lose your job and can't afford the repayments? Exclamation

And what kind of loans should i be looking at? Is this a time for the standard bank loan? Are there any other/better ways of borrowing the money for this circumstance?


Standard bank loan. You may find it better to take out a loan for a higher amount (£7.5k seems to be a bit of a cut-off) and then immediately repay some of it, if you can get one without early repayhment charges, as the rate is generally better on larger loans

Alternatively, get a 0% credit card and put the costs onto that - especially as you won't want the loan for a long time - as the majority of the loan is for insurance, make sure you take the loan out over a 12 months period and don't be tempted to take it out over any longer.

If you can't make the repayments, because you lose your job or otherwise, you get your credit report screwed over for the next however many years and it will come back to bite you in the ass. They'll also send the bailiffs round to reposess anything they can get their hands on. You can sometimes get insurance against losing your job, but it's often crap and won't cover you in the small print - hence loads of people now getting their money back from policies sold years ago.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 11 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:

I wasn't doing it for the 'lols', I genuinely think it's a bad idea.


I agree with this.
Also not for Lols
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 11 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

owl10 wrote:
instigator wrote:

I wasn't doing it for the 'lols', I genuinely think it's a bad idea.


I agree with this.
Also not for Lols


I agree with this.
Mine also wasnt for lols.

This one kind of is, but i still agree.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 11 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do go for it, IMO you should seriously consider taking out a PPI. Def go through moneysavingexpert to find a provider though, They give really good advice and the companies they advice appear genuine enough, (not like the rip off merchants of the past).
I have one to cover my mortgage and a certain % of my other bills in case I lose my job. It costs me £10 a month.
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